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***COMPLETE THANKS ***Marriage Look Up Etwall Please
« on: Sunday 19 June 11 20:10 BST (UK) »
HiYall

i am looking for someone with access to the records at St Helen's Church Etwall, Derbyshire to do a look up for me if possible.

Joseph TIVEY married Martha Clark at Etwall St.Helen, Derbyshire Reg Office: 394 Register Entry: C33/01/088 or December Qtr 1886, Vol 6b Page 563:

I am looking for father's names and witnesses please - wondered whether Martha was a widow or not as I have a mystery daughter in the 1891 census named Maggie.

All help gratefully appreciated

Cheers
jan :-*
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TIVEY, WILDE,
Alker, Barmore, Birchall, Bird, Bryan, Chant, Clare,  Crump, Dow, Edwards, Fairbrother, Faulkner, Frearson, Frogson, Glew, Halliday, Heathcote, Hesford, Holliday, Jones, Knight, Massey, Mather, McKenna, Mee, Melling, Neal, O'Brien, Ottewell, Pimblett, Pinks, Price, Quinn, Rampling, Richards, Richardson, Rowley, Royle, Shakespeare, Shaw, Sheldon, Tandy, Thompson, Wade, Walker,  & more!

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Re: Marriage Look Up Etwall Please
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 19 June 11 20:27 BST (UK) »
Hi Jan

Have you looked at previous census's to 1891?

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Re: Marriage Look Up Etwall Please
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 19 June 11 20:41 BST (UK) »
only Gertrude is with Jos and previous wife Louisa in 1881 Etwall


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« Reply #3 on: Sunday 19 June 11 20:47 BST (UK) »
wrong Dist for Wirksworth (Belper) - but correct for Etwall ..

Births Sep 1878 
 
CLARK  Margaret     Burton  6b 380


cant see her in 1881 census tho ....  :(

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« Reply #4 on: Sunday 19 June 11 20:49 BST (UK) »
Hi Mike

yes I have details of Joseph Tivey in 1881 when he was with his first wife Louisa at 2, Portland Place, Etwall (Derby): Louisa (Gregson) died 1886 and he married Martha Ellen Clark a few months later.

The 1891 census shows a Maggie Tivey, aged 12, Daughter born Wirksworth, Derby.  First I thought she could be a daughter of either just Louisa or both Louisa & Joseph before marriage but I cant find a registered birth under either Tivey or Gregson nor a Maggie Tivey or Gregson in 1881. Then I am thinking she may be Joseph's second wife  Martha's daughter from a previous marriage or maybe illegitimate - either way I cant find a Martha Clark(e) in the 1881 census with a daughter Maggie or find a Maggie Tivey in 1881.

So Im just looking for clarification that Martha was a spinster and wasnt known by another name in 1881.

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TIVEY, WILDE,
Alker, Barmore, Birchall, Bird, Bryan, Chant, Clare,  Crump, Dow, Edwards, Fairbrother, Faulkner, Frearson, Frogson, Glew, Halliday, Heathcote, Hesford, Holliday, Jones, Knight, Massey, Mather, McKenna, Mee, Melling, Neal, O'Brien, Ottewell, Pimblett, Pinks, Price, Quinn, Rampling, Richards, Richardson, Rowley, Royle, Shakespeare, Shaw, Sheldon, Tandy, Thompson, Wade, Walker,  & more!

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Re: Marriage Look Up Etwall Please
« Reply #5 on: Monday 20 June 11 07:16 BST (UK) »
The Marriage Tivey/Clark took place in a Registry Office, so think the only
way to discover information is to purchase the marriage certificate.

Birth Registered Dec Q 1858 Chesterfield
Martha Ellen Thornton Clark
Death Registered March Q 1940 Sheffield
Martha E. T. Tivey

If this is the correct Martha, then she was single when she married.

Sorry I cannot find her on Census prior to Marriage.

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Re: Marriage Look Up Etwall Please
« Reply #6 on: Monday 20 June 11 08:40 BST (UK) »
Hi Jan.... :)

The Joseph Tivey & Martha Clark marriage is on the newer familysearch site although it doesn't answer all your question it  does help a little....  https://www.familysearch.org/s/collection/list#page=1&countryId=1927033

Etwall, Derbyshire - 1st Dec 1886

JOSEPH TIVEY & MARTHA CLARK

Groom, widowed - his father = George Tivey
Bride, single - her father = William Clark


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« Reply #7 on: Monday 20 June 11 13:03 BST (UK) »
I looked yesterday at Marthas family group in 1861 .... noted father William born Heage. so this 2 year old Grand-dau in 1881 is very probably the Maggie you saw in 1891?

1881 census of Idridgehay and Alton -  RG11/Piece: 3420 Folio: 39 Page: 4 @ The Green
 
William Clarke 48 Head of Household born Derbyshire, Heage: Boot & Shoemaker
Mary Clarke 44 Wife Chesterfield
Lydia C. Clarke 14 dau Ripley
Florence H. Clarke 9 dau ditto
Addie B. Clarke 8 dau ditto
Margaret R. Clarke 2  Grand-Dau born Kirk Ireton*


Births Mar 1879   
 
Clarke  Margaret Robinson    *Ashborne  7b 634


Kirk Ireton is less than 4 miles SW of Wirksworth



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« Reply #8 on: Monday 20 June 11 20:29 BST (UK) »
Thanks Everyone!

Great stuff - that solves a bit of a mystery for me.

Cheers
jan  :-* :-* :-* :-*
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TIVEY, WILDE,
Alker, Barmore, Birchall, Bird, Bryan, Chant, Clare,  Crump, Dow, Edwards, Fairbrother, Faulkner, Frearson, Frogson, Glew, Halliday, Heathcote, Hesford, Holliday, Jones, Knight, Massey, Mather, McKenna, Mee, Melling, Neal, O'Brien, Ottewell, Pimblett, Pinks, Price, Quinn, Rampling, Richards, Richardson, Rowley, Royle, Shakespeare, Shaw, Sheldon, Tandy, Thompson, Wade, Walker,  & more!