Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW

[aussie researcher]

Hello,

I believe he was born early 1920's
I'll check with my friend today and get back to you not sure if he knows who the parents are.
I might have to get his birth certificate to get this info.

thanks

[aussie researcher]

Hello,
Sorry he doesn't know who the parents are.
I have just order the birth certificate so in a couple of weeks I'll have the answer.
Takes a while to get out to Australia.

We believe he married an Annie Bryson in 1947, this may or may not help.

Thanks again
AR

[nkbauer]

Hello Lodger,
I have looked at your list of available headstone pictures but no not see any for my relatives. I'm wondering if they don't have a headstone on their graves. I'm sure they are buried in the area. Agnes Mclachlan Allan married John Liddell in Cambusnethan in 1873. They are found in the census records in Wishaw Cambusnethan from 1881 to 1901 but not in 1911. I have looked at SP (but not purchased their death records) and believe they died before the 1911 census. Their children were Isabella born 1873, john born 1873, Alexander born 1877, Jane born 1881, Agnes born 1884 and William born 1886. Have you ever seen these names in cemetery records? Thank you for reading this request.
Nan

[Lodger]

Hi Nan,

It isn't as easy as putting all the family names together like that. first of all, I only have pictures of headstones from the old churchyard and private walled burial ground. The "new" cemetery, adjoining the old churchyard, opened in 1861, so it is quite possible these Liddells are all buried there.
I have the burial records of the new cemetery from 1861 to about 1917 but, there are some gaps, particularly from 1901 - 1907.
Could not find any children of John Liddell (or Liddle) and his wife Agnes. Could not find Agnes.
There is one possible burial for John but you would have to verify his parents names. This is it -

JOHN LIDDELL coal miner, Wishaw, aged 62 years, widowed.
Parents - John Liddell & Jane Reid.
Buried in plot E1034 on 5th May 1910.

If this is him please let me know.
If you have any spouses names for any of the children please let me know, I can check for infant deaths that way.
There are Liddells buried in the old churchyard too but I'd need more information, especially maiden surnames.

[nkbauer]

Thank you Lodger. John's parents were John and Jane Liddell so this is likely him. This is a rather distant branch of my tree. It is Agnes, John's wife, who was my great grand aunt. I believe she died in 1906 in Wishaw. Other than census records for the children I haven't pursued their marriages etc yet. I guess I had hoped that family members might be buried together/nearby but even Agnes and john aren't buried together. In other areas with different relatives I have lucked out in that regard. Lodger, you are doing a fantastic service for those who have relatives in the Cambusnethan area. Thank you for all your hard work and keep up the good work.
Nan

[aussie researcher]

Hello,
Sorry he doesn't know who the parents are.
I have just order the birth certificate so in a couple of weeks I'll have the answer.
Takes a while to get out to Australia.

We believe he married an Annie Bryson in 1947, this may or may not help.

Thanks again
AR

Finally got the Birth certificate.

Robert Watt McNeil
parents father - Robert Watt McNeil, mother - Bessie Hamilton.
Robert & Bessie married 1920 in Cambusnethan.
Hope this might help in finding any headstones for this family.

Thanks
AR

[Lodger]

Hi AR,

I'm so sorry but I don't have any burial records after 1917. So if you don't have an exact date of death it would be impossible to find a McNeil grave.
If the 1920 marriage certificates has the parents names I may be able to do something with them.

The 1901 census on Ances**y has a Robert McNeil aged 4 years living at Watt's Land, parents were James and Agnes. I wonder if this could be the Robert who married in 1920?

[aussie researcher]

Hi Lodger,

You have the right family for 1901.
I have the marriage cert for Robert Watt McNeil and Bessie Hamiton.
Parents of Robert are James McNeil (born 1867) and Agnes Steven Halliday (born 1847).
Parents for Bessie are James Hamilton and Charlotte Matherson (Charlotte deceased before 1920)
James McNeil Parents Alexander McNeil and Janet Colvin.
I believe Agnes mother was Marion Halliday think she later married a Robert Watt.

Hope this might help
Thanks
AR

[Lodger]

Hi AR,  here's what I found from the information you sent.

CHARLOTTE HAMILTON, housewife, Motherwell - usual residence Wishaw. Aged 42 years, married.
Parents - Robert Mathieson & Elizabeth Menzies.
Plot E2438/9 on 25th May 1915.
Plot owned by James Hamilton, coal miner, 17 1/2 French Street, Wishaw.

(She probably died in Motherwell hospital, she is buried in the municipal cemetery and it would have been a double plot, don't know if there is a stone there, I'll try and find out).

2 more burials in the municipal cemetery, both in plot D109.

MARION McNEIL, Wishaw, aged 14 months.
Parents - James McNeil & Agnes Halliday.
Plot D109 on 14th April 1888.

MARION McNEIL, Wishaw, aged 10 DAYS.
Parents - James McNeil & Agnes Halliday.
Plot D109 on 9th March 1895.

All of the following are in the old churchyard.

WILLIAM McNEIL,  coal miner, Wishaw, aged 11 years.
Parents - Alexander McNeil & Janet Colvin.
Old churchyard on 13th September 1862.

MARY McNEIL, Wishaw, aged 13 years.
Parents - Alexander McNeil & Janet Colvin.
Old churchyard on 18th March 1867.

JOHN McNEIL, coal miner & pauper, Wishaw, aged 22 years, unmarried.
Parents - Alexander McNeil & Janet Colvin.
Old churchyard on 8th July 1871.

JANET McNEIL, Wishaw, aged 9 years.
Parents - Alexander McNeil & Janet Colvin.
Old churchyard on 10th May 1872.

ANN McNEIL, dressmaker, Wishaw, aged 22 years, unmarried.
Parents - Alexander McNeil & Janet Colvin.
Old churchyard on 17th September 1880.

Prior to about 1878 there is no Plot Book for the old churchyard, only the gravediggers Day Book, that's where the information above has been extracted from. So, all it tells us is that the burial took place in the old churchyard, no plot mentioned. However, after 1878 the records change and, on looking for the above Ann McNeil in 1880, I found her interred in a plot owned by a Mr Hugh Gourlay. It looks as if this Hugh may have been married to Ann's mother's sister Jane. I found 2 entries in the Day Book register to support this -

JANET GOURLAY, Wishaw, aged 2 years.
Parents - Hugh Gourlay & Jane Colvin.
Old churchyard on 12th June 1861.

MARY GOURLAY, dressmaker, Hartwood Asylum, aged 63 years, unmarried.
Parents - Hugh Gourlay & Jane Colvin.
Old churchyard on 20th September 1916.

The plot in the old churchyard was owned by Hugh Gourley (spelling of Gourle/ay)

In the Centre plot -

JANE GOURLAY, aged 73 years - 2nd December 1892.
JANET McNEIL, aged 68 years - 3rd July 1897.
In the North plot -
ANN McNEIL, aged 22 years - 17th September 1880.
WILLIAM McNEIL, aged 18 years - 12th December 1882.
HUGH GOURLAY, aged 76 years - 1st November 1901.

Hope you can make some sense out of all this?

Lodger