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Thomas Tilley
« on: Wednesday 29 June 11 15:50 BST (UK) »
In spite of diligently searching Ancestry and Family Search, I am unable to find the  parentage of this man. Ancestry says "no parents", and Family Search is also unable to find them. According to the Ancestry records he was born in Newport Pagnell in 1785, and married Elizabeth Brey in 1808. Their son William Henry was born in 1809. These are the ancestors of my father, and I am trying to go back as far as possible. At one time he was living in Leicester Forest. He obviously had some parents, and ther must be a record of them......somewhere. So if anyone likes a challenge, I would be very appreciative if they would have a go! By the way, he died in 1858 in Dalston, Cumberland, if that would help.

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Re: Thomas Tilley
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 29 June 11 16:36 BST (UK) »

According to the Ancestry records he was born in Newport Pagnell in 1785, and married Elizabeth Brey in 1808. Their son William Henry was born in 1809.

 At one time he was living in Leicester Forest.

 By the way, he died in 1858 in Dalston, Cumberland, if that would help.

Hi

I am confused (not difficult  ;D )
You are looking for Thomas Tilley bn 1785, died 1858 Dalston, Cumberland.  According to freebmd there is no death for a Thomas Tilley in Dalston area at this time and no sign on the 1851 of him born Newport Pagnell. The only information I can see on Ancestry that confirms this is someones tree so subject to confirmation.

I presume that you have details of William Henry, I see he was born in Newport Pagnell according to the 1861 census at which time his widowed mother Elizabeth was living with him.

You say Thomas  was in Leicester Forest, when was that? Where did he marry Elizabeth?

Rosie
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Re: Thomas Tilley
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 29 June 11 17:04 BST (UK) »
Can't find a death 1858, Cumbria, but the following look good matches:

March qtr 1840
Newport Pagnell    vol 6, page 301
Thomas Haines Tilley

March qtr 1867
St George in the East, London    Vol 1c, page 327
Thomas Tilley    age 82 (so born c 1785)

June qtr 1869
Christchurch, Hampshire    Vol 2b, Page 358
Thomas Tilley  age 84 (so born c 1785)
Garrad (Suffolk, Essex, Somerset), Crocker (Somerset), Vanstone (Devon, Jersey), Sims (Wiltshire), Bridger (Kent)

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Re: Thomas Tilley
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 29 June 11 19:56 BST (UK) »

Thomas Tilley Elizabeth Brey both of leicester Forest married 11 Apr  1808
this maynot be your Thomas Tilley

Where was son William Henry born??

Suz
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Re: Thomas Tilley
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 29 June 11 20:05 BST (UK) »
there is IGI extracted
 William Henry Tilley  born Jan 1809
Christened 13 Nov 1809
St Martin in the Fields Westminster
parents Thomas Tilley & Elizabeth Austin

there is also a William Tilley b.c. 1809 Leicester

Maybe these families have become muddled???

Could you give us details of your Tilley descendant who you are certain about- from later census and maybe we can check further for you

Suz
Thornhill, Cresswell, Sisson, Harriman, Cripps, Eyre, Walter, Marson, Battison, Holmes, Bailey, Hardman, Fairhurst Noon-mainly in Derbys/Notts-but also Northampton, Oxford, Leics, Lancs-England
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Re: Thomas Tilley
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 30 June 11 16:28 BST (UK) »
Now I am confused! I know there are/were many Tilleys in the  Leicester area, but I am basing my search on the information supplied by my cousin, who is an experience genealogist, so my family is also his. He states that Thomas Tilley and Elizabeth ????? marrried, but not when. A man of that name married to Elizabeth Brey had a son William Henry Tilley. Elizabeth was at that time "a widow and fund holder living at 4, South Place, Hackney"according to the 1861 census.The information I have says that Thomas was born in Newport Pagnell in 1785, his son William Henry born Newport Pagnell in 1809, his parents being Thomas and Elizabeth.
 This whole thing seems to be getting messier and messier, and could mean that the Leicester trail is quite wrong. I am quite new to this game, but judging by the number of stars by your names, you are not. I don't want to give up, especially as I have traced my mother's' family back to the 17th century, even though her name was a common one.
As my father's family lived in London, I think Suzard's reference to the London christening is most probably the best bet, though his mother's maiden name was Austin and not Brey.W. H. was living in Shoreditch in 1841 with his second wife, Mary Cooper, who was 10 years older than her husband. I have traced, through census returns, their son, John Cooper Tilley, to my father, who was born in Hackney in 1895.
My sincere thanks to you all for your help, as a result of which, I will be doing some more checking, and hopefully, this time will not encounter any more mazes or brick walls,
 If anyone has any more helpful suggestion, they would be much appreciated.
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Re: Thomas Tilley
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 30 June 11 16:36 BST (UK) »
Hi

Going backwards...

Is this yours
Thomas Edward Tilley
Birth  7th May 1895
Death  Nov 1988 - Taunton Deane, Somerset

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Re: Thomas Tilley
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 30 June 11 16:40 BST (UK) »
In 1901  RG13 Piece 1616 Folio 75 Page 34
82 Dunedin Road, Leyton, Essex
Thomas Tilley 29 bn Dalston, London
Alice Tilley 29 bn Bethnal Green
Thomas Tilley 5 bn Hackney
Frederick Tilley 4 bn Hoxton
Alice Tilley 2 bn Poplar
Vera Tilley 1 bn Poplar

Marriage
Thomas James Tilley Age 22
Spouse  Alice Isabel Schofield Age 22
28th October 1894
St John the Baptist, Hoxton
Groom Father  John Cooper Tilley    I am on the right track then  ;D
Spouse Father Edward William Schofield

 
 
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Re: Thomas Tilley
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 30 June 11 17:16 BST (UK) »
I think I can see where the error has been made possibly

1861
4 South Place hackney
Elizabeth Tilley head widow 78 Fund holder Newport Pagnall Bucks
William H son W 52 Gas Fitter Newport Pagnall Bucks
John C Tilley grandson 21 Shoreditch
RG9 155 93 18

trying to find Elizabeth in 1851 but cannot locate her

BUT
1851
there is an Elizabeth Tilley widow age 68 living in Leicester and b. Hollaton Leics she is a pauper

I think possibly this Elizabeth has been mistaken for Elizabeth b Newport Pagnell


will check some more

Suz
Thornhill, Cresswell, Sisson, Harriman, Cripps, Eyre, Walter, Marson, Battison, Holmes, Bailey, Hardman, Fairhurst Noon-mainly in Derbys/Notts-but also Northampton, Oxford, Leics, Lancs-England
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