Coleman - Dundee

[MonicaL]

There is a death showing in Renfrewshire in 1947 for a Lilly Coleman born c. 1883. This is just from the general index search. Don't know whether any further surname shows.

Not sure if you have checked marriages/deaths on SP for any of Frederick's siblings?

There is also a marriage showing in 1902 for a Lily Coleman in Renfrewshire.

Monica

Added: I think you can ignore the Renfrewshire entries  There is a Lily Coleman showing with family in 1901 in Renfrewshire born c. 1883. Likely her entries I am seeing...

[alasdair_13]

Thanks a lot! Delighted to find Harry.

I've been through SP quite extensively and cannot find anyone else!

[MonicaL]

Had a thought that Mabel was already using a stage name by 1901 maybe?

I saw this entry in Dundee in 1901.

John Logan 46 Battery Sergt Mager (R. A) b. Ireland
Jessie Logan 42 wife b. England
Jessie Elliot 9 niece b. England
Mabel West 21 bd (boarder?) actress b. England
Helen Campbell 18 dom. servant b. Dundee
Frederick H Leslie 53 actor b. british subt, America
Bert E Ward 32 lodger Theatrical Manager b.  New Zealand
Ruby Ward 25 lodger b. England

Address: 49 Castle St, Dundee

Monica

Added: There are references in the newspapers to a Mabel West, actress through the 1880-90s. Not sure therefore whether the entry above connects to her, with just a mistranscription on her age or whether this is a different Mabel West aged 21 (fitting well in age with your Mabel). Hard to say always without looking at original material. SP also have this Mabel in Dundee as aged 21 in 1901.

[alasdair_13]

Thanks so much for this. The National Archives discovery was a revelation and I downloaded Harry's record - he had a long career in the navy until about 1926 if I read the writing correctly.

Having a look around the records too, I discovered quite by chance that Harry's brother, Frederick James Coleman (my great grandfather) also signed up with the Navy, but in 1908 (as a "boy"). I also downloaded his record. What's quite interesting from that though is he obviously couldn't cut it and bought himself out for £10 after only two months on the training ship and well before his commission proper was due to start. It is of some significance that at this time he was still going by his birth surname of "Coleman" rather than Gordon as he has become by his marriage in Glasgow in 1915.

As for Mabel, I don't think the record you've found for Mabel is mine - the age is right but she was born in Dundee, not England. She may remain a mystery.

Thanks so much for taking an interest and helping uncover these connections.

[MonicaL]

Pleasure, Alasdair  Hope you find what else happened to Frederick's siblings.

Monica

[alasdair_13]

Another addendum to this exchange around my Coleman ancestry. I have managed to track down Lilian (Lily) Elsie Coleman as marrying an Albert Edward Beanland in Durham in 1902. The clue that led me to this discovery lay in a near illegible comment on Frederick Coleman's Navy record: he was bought out of the navy for £10, paid for by an A.E. Beanland. A bit of detective work on familysearch and I found the marriage record. Tragically, it looks like Lily died young in 1912.

[MonicaL]

Thank you for the update here, Alasdair.

Gosh, this family have kept you busy for years    Fun though, the ins and outs you have had and that is always what makes it interesting.

Monica

[brigidmac]

What an interesting family
Just wondered if you'd got any further .

I wouldn't dismiss the Mabel West actress that Monica found .have you seen original ? Great photo btw does she have any family resemblance ?

.As you have her birthdate 25/9/1980

you could look for her on 1939 register

[brigidmac]

Had a quick look ...Mabel Maude Steele of Kent is interesting her birthdate has been altered on document
Also at least 1 Mabel M .has full name of Mabel Maud if you look on original. Essberger was a name I looked at but why would she be in South of England ?



Do you have birth certificate?