Yes, not only can I type at 13,000 words a minute, but I can also instantly transcribe historical documents. ROFLMAO
While researching this topic I had looked for alternative spelling of Fluerty in the Colonial Secretary’s Index and had completely missed "Flahata".
Thanks Dundee for the references – they sure explain a lot.
So Charles was definitely in Sydney in March 1816. This would have allowed him to marry Mary Griggs in Sydney on 21 Mar 1816.
(I am assuming that the 1818 on the BDM NSW index is a transcription error.) (Yes this is the contrary position to my earlier post as the evidence that Dundee has posted speaks for itself.
My previous statement about 2 Charles Fluertys in 1818 was also incorrect.)
It is also true as others have already said that not all convict permissions to marry have survived. All that is really missing was Mary’s name on the passenger’s list of the “Kangaroo” back to Hobart but this may have been because she was the wife of a crew-member, or she may have travelled to Hobart on a different ship.
Re:
1/2 April 1816 - Re prisoners being landed and delivered to Hutchinson; appears as Flhutte (Reel 6004; 4/3494 pp.424, 429)* The letter numbered 424 of 1 April 1816 says in part that Charles Flhutte(sic) had been allowed to work on the “Kangaroo” from
“the Derwent (that is Hobart)
by permission of His Honor Lt Govn Davey”.
and as Dundee said
"it is improper that Prisoners of the Crown, more properly called convicts should be employed in a service whereby they might easily effect their escape...."
* The letter numbered 429 of 2 April says in part
“No question was made in Regard to Flhutte or Flahatu having been received by You in Compliance with the Orders of Lieut. Govn. Davey at Hobart Town.” By employing Charles on the “Kangaroo” they were taking advantage of his skills as a sailor from his former life in the British Navy. (We also know that he was on the whaling ship in 1832. Mmm, I wonder if he was the coxswain at Port Arthur in 1841? This would make sense despite his age, and would leave the death in 1835 to possibly be of his son.)
So Charles was indeed on the “Kangaroo” from Sydney to Hobart in April 1816 (when he was landed to serve in that capacity no longer), but even more so that he had first joined the crew of the “Kangaroo” in Hobart. I wonder when he first joined the crew? The only time could have been August 1814 when the Kangaroo was last in Hobart.
From the Colonial Secretary’s Index the following is revealed for the “Kangaroo”:
1814 Aug – Hobart (Gee whiz, 1 of my children’s ancestors, a soldier, was on the ship then – he would have met Charles!)
1815 Feb – Sydney (via Launceston)
1815 c.Jul to 1816 Feb – voyage to and from Ceylon
1816 Feb – Sydney
1816 Mar – Newcastle
1816 Mar – Sydney
1816 Apr – Hobart
http://colsec.records.nsw.gov.au/indexes/colsec/k/F30c_ka-ke-01.htm#P402_15862So with the date of the marriage of Mary Griggs to Charles Fluty as 21 Mar 1816 in Sydney at St Phillips Church was at a time when indeed the “Kangaroo” was in Sydney after its return from Newcastle. Charles would have had opportunity to meet Mary Griggs between Feb and c.Jul 1815, and also visit with her for a short time in February 1816, and of course in the short time in March 1816 in which they got married.
May I simply note that during the Governorship of Lachlan Macquarie, the parish registers for St Phillips Church, Sydney Town include TRANSMITTED records of baptisms, burials and marriages conducted ELSEWHERE in New South Wales, and by clergy who were not Anglicans.
majm are you sure of this? My understanding was that the parish register only contained the births deaths and marriage for that parish, which in this case was the Anglican parish of St Phillips, and only for services performed under the rites of the Church of England. Also in my understanding there were no changes to this during the time of Macquarie. In fact none of the very good and useful references that you quoted from the NSW state archives substantiate what you have said. I would have to disagree with the proposal that a 1818 (or 1816) marriage could be recorded in the parish register for St Phillips where the marriage was celebrated by a clergyman who was NOT an Anglican, and/ or where the marriage had been celebrated in VDL.
