1841 census lookup please

[whdsn]

Hi Ladyhawk
                    I'm having trouble finding William and Mary's daughter birth record. Gwenlliam abt 1837
                    I found one but it is in LLandovery

[Ladyhawk]

I found chistening Gwenllian Jones born 1835  William Jones & Cecelia on familysearch

http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=igi/search_IGI.asp&clear_form=true

[whdsn]

Thank you Ladyhawk so i was wrong with Gwenllian being Mary's daughter.
                                                                                                              wayne

[whdsn]

Thank you for the information.

The one you found William and Mary looks good. so it looks like Elizabeth's mother Mary could have been a Phillips or her sister married a Phillips if i'm right.

This marriage could tie in with the 1851 census Elizabeth Jones Neice to Phillips
although it is only a submitted IGI entry

William JONES
Mary PHILLIPS
19/5/1837 Talgarth Brecon
I now have Elizabeth's birth certificate and william jones and mary phillips are her parents
As there's no relationships shown on 1841 census difficult to say, the other option could be to obtain details of one of the other childrens baptism record to ascertain mothers maiden name   

there are two girls named Elizabeth living in the same household one born  c1826 & the other c1838, so I would have presumed that this William & Mary would have a married around 1825

[Ladyhawk]

I now have Elizabeth's birth certificate and william jones and mary phillips are her parents

Thank you for the update

1841 sorry can’t decipher name of Farm (T…va Ga…?)
HO107; Piece 1367; Book: 14; Civil Parish: Upper Penderyn Breconshire; Enumeration District: 21; Folio: 6; Page: 5
William JONES 35 Farmer
Mary 35
Elizabeth 15
Mary 12
Phillip 10
Catherine 9
Gwenlline 4
ELIZABETH 3 (1838)
Ann 2
All born this county ‘Y’

Using GRO indexes

Ann JONES mmn PHILLIPS
1839  J Quarter in BRECKNOCK  Volume 26  Page 267   

This marriage could tie in with the 1851 census Elizabeth Jones Niece to Phillips
although it is only a submitted IGI entry

William JONES
Mary PHILLIPS
19/5/1837 Talgarth Brecon

Further info. on the above marriage just in case you don't have these details

William JONES of the Parish of Talgarth, Farmer and
Mary PHILLIPS of the Parish of Llangorse, Spinster
Married by Licence with the Consent of all parties
William signed his name Mary made her mark (x)
In the Presence of Robert PHILLIPS and Ann JONES

Possible baptism for Mary

Mary PHILLIPS 31 Mar 1815 Llangorse Breconshire
parents Robert, occ Farmer & Elizabeth

and

William PHILLIPS 19 Jun 1813 Llangorse Breconshire
parents Robert, occ Farmer & Elizabeth

possible marriage

1812 marriage Robert PHILLIPS to Elisabeth WILLIAMS
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QGK1-GMDH

1851 Penllan?el Langorse
HO107; Piece: 2489; Folio: 718; Page: 18
Elizabeth JONES 14 Talgarth Breconshire house servant NIECE

William PHILLIPS 34 Llangorse Farmer of 79 acres employing (Labourer)
Amelia wife 31 Llanelly
John son 11 Llangorse
William son 8
Lydia dau 4

The marriage detail for William & Amelia

William PHILLIPS, f/a Farmer father Robert, Farmer
married 27 Jul 1839 at Talgarth
Amelia PUGH f/a father Thomas, Farmer
Witnesses   Thomas Pugh (x), John Bowen
Both single, William made his mark (x) Amelia signed her name   

for info 1841 census Llangorse perhaps related living next door to William Phillips & Amelia are

Robert PHILLIP 30, Farmer
Mary 40
Robert PHILLIP 66, Ind.

For info.

1861 census William & Amelia’s children John, William & Lydia PHILLIPS are in the household of Thomas PUGH & family
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7X6-XXG

Possible marriage banns for Robert & Mary

1831 marriage Banns Robert PHILLIPS to Mary SWITHIN
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KCK9-DPK

[whdsn]

I now have Elizabeth's birth certificate and william jones and mary phillips are her parents. In may 1837 william  was a farmer when he got married and was a labourer in september was elizabeth was born

Thank you for the update

1841 sorry can’t decipher name of Farm (T…va Ga…?)
HO107; Piece 1367; Book: 14; Civil Parish: Upper Penderyn Breconshire; Enumeration District: 21; Folio: 6; Page: 5
William JONES 35 Farmer
Mary 35
Elizabeth 15
Mary 12
Phillip 10
Catherine 9
Gwenlline 4
ELIZABETH 3 (1838)
Ann 2
All born this county ‘Y’

Using GRO indexes

Ann JONES mmn PHILLIPS
1839  J Quarter in BRECKNOCK  Volume 26  Page 267   

This marriage could tie in with the 1851 census Elizabeth Jones Niece to Phillips
although it is only a submitted IGI entry

William JONES
Mary PHILLIPS
19/5/1837 Talgarth Brecon

Further info. on the above marriage just in case you don't have these details

William JONES of the Parish of Talgarth, Farmer and
Mary PHILLIPS of the Parish of Llangorse, Spinster
Married by Licence with the Consent of all parties
William signed his name Mary made her mark (x)
In the Presence of Robert PHILLIPS and Ann JONES

Possible baptism for Mary

Mary PHILLIPS 31 Mar 1815 Llangorse Breconshire
parents Robert, occ Farmer & Elizabeth

and

William PHILLIPS 19 Jun 1813 Llangorse Breconshire
parents Robert, occ Farmer & Elizabeth

possible marriage

1812 marriage Robert PHILLIPS to Elisabeth WILLIAMS
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QGK1-GMDH

1851 Penllan?el Langorse
HO107; Piece: 2489; Folio: 718; Page: 18
Elizabeth JONES 14 Talgarth Breconshire house servant NIECE

William PHILLIPS 34 Llangorse Farmer of 79 acres employing (Labourer)
Amelia wife 31 Llanelly
John son 11 Llangorse
William son 8
Lydia dau 4

The marriage detail for William & Amelia

William PHILLIPS, f/a Farmer father Robert, Farmer
married 27 Jul 1839 at Talgarth
Amelia PUGH f/a father Thomas, Farmer
Witnesses   Thomas Pugh (x), John Bowen
Both single, William made his mark (x) Amelia signed her name   

for info 1841 census Llangorse perhaps related living next door to William Phillips & Amelia are

Robert PHILLIP 30, Farmer
Mary 40
Robert PHILLIP 66, Ind.

For info.

1861 census William & Amelia’s children John, William & Lydia PHILLIPS are in the household of Thomas PUGH & family
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7X6-XXG

Possible marriage banns for Robert & Mary

1831 marriage Banns Robert PHILLIPS to Mary SWITHIN
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KCK9-DPK

[whdsn]

I found them on the 1841 census in Llanelly HO107 1366/39 Page 4. William's age is wrong