The Holyland thread!

[Annie65115]

I think your Ann was the daughter of Peter HOLLAND, maltster. I don't know why the Holyland name was used as, so far as I can see, this Holland family had always been Holland.

I'm sending you a PM with finer details, Snorbins, rather than clog up this thread.

[Annie65115]

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=822988.0

just to let anyone interested know that I've also started a "blog" re Holyland history:

https://holylandons.blogspot.com/

it's early days yet but I plan to keep it expanding!

[Taylor94]

I have another line of Holylands.

Mary Holyland marries William Sharp Jr. 1761 Desford, Leicestershire.
She is the daughter of William Holyland, Butcher 1701-1762 and a Mary Fulshaw (Daughter of Thomas Fulshaw of Kirkby Mallory and Jane Freer).
Anyone have this Line researched?
William Holyland baptised 1701 Desford. Son of Thomas Holyland ?-1715 and a Frances ?-1720.
I think Williams brother Thomas has a will 1730 as he mentions his brother William Holyland, Butcher.
Who was Thomas Holyland Sr? Son of a Thomas Holyland and Mary Abney?

A John Price, Yeoman, of Bardon Park, Leicestershire writes a will in 1722 and mentions his 2 nephews. Thomas Holyland, Butcher and Christopher Holyland, Framework Knitter of Desford. He also mentions a Niece Hannah Holyland. John Price is quite substantially wealthy.
I wonder if the Frances married to Thomas Holyland is a Frances Price, sister of John?

[Taylor94]

I can only think that perhaps the nephews and Nieces Thomas, Christopher and Hannah are these -

Thomas Holyland, bapt 1687 Desford. Son of Thomas Holyland. Married Mary Smith 1727 Desford and then Sarah Glover 1729 Desford. Has a Will 1730 Desford (Mentions Brothers William and Christopher but also a brother John? I cant see a baptism for John but his burial is 1785 Dunton Bassett with a birthdate of 1703, He marries Mary Boddington 1728 Desford)

Christopher Holyland, bapt 1691 Desford. Son of Thomas Holyland. Married Mary Foster of Derby, 1712. 2nd wife is Henrietta Groves daughter of Rev Gregory Groves, Married 1729 Market Bosworth. Has a Will 1738 Market Bosworth.

Hannah Holyland, bapt 1698 Desford. Daughter of Thomas Holyland. Possibly married Jonathan Gibson at Markfield 1723. Buried 1732 Ibstock.

Although I wonder why William Holyland, bapt 1701 Desford. Son of Thomas and Frances was not mentioned in the will of John Price.

I note that before 1701 the rector was not writing the mothers name on the baptisms but 1701 and after the handwriting changes and mothers are now written on the baptisms.

Did Thomas and Frances baptise these children?

In 1676, an Elizabeth was baptised to a 'Thomas Holyland, Junior' This is the only baptism I can see of a Thomas styled like this which means there was an older Thomas Holyland alive in the village at that time. Is Thomas Holyland Jr the same as the Thomas baptising in the 1680s?

[Annie65115]

Thanks for your input here - I shall definitely look into the Price connection! he name isn't anywhere on my copious Holyland spreadsheets so atthis moment I don't know how it fits together.

I've found it very difficult to untangle the Holylands back into the 1600s and most of it has had to be "best guess". There are mentions of Thomas snr and jnr in the Desford registers at other times and I suspect that someone who had been at one time, Thomas jnr, over the years became Thomas Snr -- if you see what I mean! In brief, I agree with you re the father of Thomas, William, Christopher, John, Hannah (and others). I think that he was Thomas jnr, baptising children with 2+ different wives over a long period of time. His father was also Thomas, hence the "jnr" suffix. I've asumed that the burial in 1715 was the older Thomas (bapt 1648/9) as it's stated to be "Thomas snr" but I can't be sure about that.

I've got my head in a tangle over these famlies before now but I will try to explain what I've got, and why I've reached the conclusions I have, if you want to drop me a pm.

[Annie65115]

OK, at a quick glance, here's a theory:

Thomas, Christopher, William, John, Hannah (and others) were the children of Thomas Holliland bapt 1648/9. Thomas b 1648 was the son of yet another Thomas -- so "Thomas jnr".

So Thomas jnr had a child, Elizabeth, in 1676. Then Ann, the wife of Thomas jnr, was buried in 1678; so obviously he must have remarried. But as you know, the registers are useless when it comes to the names of wives and mothers!

However, by 1684 he was having more children-- Ann, Thomas, Ellen, Christopher, William (this William died age 3).

There's a burial for Ann, wife of Thomas H in early 1695/6. Was this Thomas jnr's wife? or his mother?

Then Thomas baptises another daughter Ann in March 1696, and Hanna in 1698.

William was bapt in 1701 to Thomas and Frances; no bapt found for John but his death suggests a yob of 1702.

Maybe the brothers Thomas and Christpher, plus sister Hannah, all shared the same mother. If she then died and Thomas ("jnr" -the father of this lot - there were too many Thomases in this family!) remarried Frances ---- that would explain the 3 older children being the neices/nephews of John Price, and the 2 younger ones not then benefitting from his will.

Just a theory, and I don't have records or marriages, deaths etc to back this up.

[Annie65115]

I have now set up a Holyland facebook group, for anyone with an interest in the surname. Please PM me if you want the link, or search on FB for "Holyland surname".

[Taylor94]

I have another Holyland in my tree.

My 8th Great Grandfather.
William Holyland, Grasier, of Little Glen, Leicestershire. c1720-1794
William married Anne Boswell, 1744 Aylestone.
I descend from his daughter Jane who married Benjamin Johnson of Countesthorpe.

Anyone have this line or any info if it connects to the Desford Holylands?
He might be son of a Thomas Holyland and Margaret who baptise a son in Aylestone 1721.

[Taylor94]

I think likely the son of Thomas Holyland and Margaret Halford who marry in Newton Harcourt 1712. Both given of Little Glen and Newton.