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Re: margaret rudler
« Reply #18 on: Tuesday 11 January 11 21:22 GMT (UK) »
Great work spidermonkey

1881 - all shown under surname Christmas

John Christmas 63
Margaret  37
Henrietta   19
Malvina 17
John 15
Alfred   13
Elizabeth 8
Margaret   6
Fanny  2
RG11 Piece 451 Folio 85 Page 3

1891 census has Henrietta as stepdaughter

RG12/288/93/50 16 Rygate Street St George In The East, London

John CHRISTMAS 65 Sussex Gen Lab.
Margaret 53 Limehouse
Henrietta SIMMONS (Summons)? 28 Step-dau Box maker Limehouse
John CHRISTMAS 23 Millwall Carman
Alfred  " 19 Millwall Carman
Elizabeth 16 St. George in the East Dom Serv.
Margaret 15     "                               Dom Serv.
Fanny 13         "
Rose 10           "

1901c
5 Red Lion Street Wapping London
RG13 Piece:317 Folio:72 Page: 35     

Margaret CHRISTMAS Head Widow F 65 1836 Wapping
Elizabeth    "   Dau 25 1876 Tailoress Wapping
Margaret    "   Dau 22 1879 Tailoress Wapping
Rose           "  Dau 19 1882 Tailoress Wapping

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Re: margaret rudler
« Reply #19 on: Tuesday 11 January 11 21:38 GMT (UK) »
Henrietta Simmons marries William Donald Murray 7th June 1891 at St John the Evangelist, Stepney

william Donald Murray / 27 / Bachelor / Joiner / 17 Christian St / William Murray / Joiner
Henrietta Simmons / 28 / SPinster / 17 Christian St / Edward Simmons / Deceased

Witnesses were William Frederick Wickers and Mavina (sic) Callighan (her mark)

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« Reply #20 on: Tuesday 11 January 11 21:49 GMT (UK) »
RG13 Piece:317 Folio:72 Page: 35     
Margaret CHRISTMAS Head Widow F 65 1836 Wapping
Elizabeth    "   Dau 25 1876 Tailoress Wapping
Margaret    "   Dau 22 1879 Tailoress Wapping
Rose           "  Dau 19 1882 Tailoress Wapping

And guess who they are next door to - the recently widowed Henrietta Murray nee Summons
Henrietta Murray  Head  Wid  40  Living on own means  bn Limehouse
Amy Murray  Dau  9  bn Wapping
Henretta Murray  Dau  5  bn Wapping
Beatrice Murray  Dau  3  bn Wapping


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« Reply #21 on: Tuesday 11 January 11 21:53 GMT (UK) »
RG13 Piece:317 Folio:72 Page: 35     
Margaret CHRISTMAS Head Widow F 65 1836 Wapping
Elizabeth    "   Dau 25 1876 Tailoress Wapping
Margaret    "   Dau 22 1879 Tailoress Wapping
Rose           "  Dau 19 1882 Tailoress Wapping

And guess who they are next door to - the recently widowed Henrietta Murray nee Summons
Henrietta Murray  Head  Wid  40  Living on own means  bn Limehouse
Amy Murray  Dau  9  bn Wapping
Henretta Murray  Dau  5  bn Wapping
Beatrice Murray  Dau  3  bn Wapping

And on the other side of Henrietta is Mary Murray - her mother in law!

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Re: margaret rudler
« Reply #22 on: Tuesday 11 January 11 22:01 GMT (UK) »
Henrietta Simmons marries William Donald Murray 7th June 1891 at St John the Evangelist, Stepney

william Donald Murray / 27 / Bachelor / Joiner / 17 Christian St / William Murray / Joiner
Henrietta Simmons / 28 / SPinster / 17 Christian St / Edward Simmons / Deceased

Witnesses were William Frederick Wickers and Mavina (sic) Callighan (her mark)

sister Malvina witness

1891c 30, Red Lion Street, Shadwell
RG12 Piece:290 Folio: 98 Page: 36 

Thomas CALLAGHAN Head Married M 30 1861 Marine Stoker
Malvena Wife  28 1863 Wapping
Margaret Dau  4 1887 Scholar Wapping
Henrietta Dau 0 (4M) 1891 Wapping


1901c 21, Red Lion Street, St George In The East
RG13 Piece:314 Folio:23 Page:38       

Thomas CALLAGHAN 39 1862 Engineers Labourer Wapping
Malvana Wife Married F 37 1864 Wapping
Maggie Daughter Single F 14 1887 Wapping
Henrietta Daughter Single F 10 1891 Wapping
Thos Son Single M 8 1893 Wapping
Edward Son Single M 7 1894 Wapping
Dines Son Single M 5 1896 Wapping
Rose Daughter Single F 5 1896 Wapping
Annie Daughter Single F 2 1899 Wapping
Timothy Son Single M 0 (3 MOS) 1901 Wapping




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Re: margaret rudler
« Reply #23 on: Sunday 17 July 11 07:40 BST (UK) »
I have Edward SUMMONS dying in Victoria Australia in 1883. Parents Abraham SUMMONS and Mary PACE.

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Re: margaret rudler
« Reply #24 on: Monday 18 July 11 04:54 BST (UK) »
A bit more detail of Edward SUMMONS.
He was born in Battersea in c 1836. Parents Abraham & Mary SUMMONS nee PACE.
1841 he was 5 in the census living with family
1851 he was not with his parents and 5 siblings. I cannot find him in 1851 census.
1861 he was 25 living with Margaret 'wife' nee RUDLER.
1861-62 had child Henrietta.
1863 had child Malvina
1865 Margaret married John CHRISTMAS as a spinster.
c 1869 Edward & Annie SUMMONS arrived in Australia.
1883 Edward SUMMONS dies aged 47 and is buried in Echuca, Victoria, Aust. Parents identified as Abraham & Mary SUMMONS nee PACE
Edward's Will leaves his estate to his wife Anne SUMMONS.

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Re: margaret rudler
« Reply #25 on: Monday 18 July 11 11:09 BST (UK) »
A bit more detail of Edward SUMMONS was born in Battersea in c 1836. Parents Abraham & Mary SUMMONS nee PACE.

c 1869 Edward & Annie SUMMONS arrived in Australia.
1883 Edward SUMMONS dies aged 47 and is buried in Echuca, Victoria, Aust. Parents identified as Abraham & Mary SUMMONS nee PACE
Edward's Will leaves his estate to his wife Anne SUMMONS.

Marriage
Abraham SUMMONS
Mary PACE
31/5/1835 St. Mary Newington Surrey

possible marriage FreeBMD

Edward SIMMONS/SUMMONS 27 bachelor  Barge Builder
father Abraham SUMMONS Market Gardener
Anne McCARTHY 27 spinister
father John McCARTHY Weaver
married 20/10/1863 St. Dunstan, Stepney, London




Christening St. mary Battersea London
Edward SUMMONS 3/4/1836
Abraham George  3/6/1838
William Isaac  6/6/1841
Everett 30/3/1845
Henrietta Jane  4/4/1847
Louisa Emma  born 15/1/1849 ch. 11/2/1849
Emily born 3/8/1851 ch. 24/8/1847
Benjamin Poley born 25/9/1853 ch. 16/10/1853
Parents named Abraham SUMMONS & Mary

1851 he was not with his parents and 5 siblings. I cannot find him in 1851 census.
1861 he was 25 living with Margaret 'wife' nee RUDLER.
1861-62 had child Henrietta.
1863 had child Malvina
1865 Margaret married John CHRISTMAS as a spinster.
c 1869 Edward & Annie SUMMONS arrived in Australia.



1861 he was 25 living with Margaret 'wife' nee RUDLER.
1861-62 had child Henrietta.
1863 had child Malvina
1865 Margaret married John CHRISTMAS as a spinster.


Lavender123 hasn't been back on line since January 2011 so don't know whether a marriage for Edward SUMMONS to Margaret RUDLER has been found the only other info. was posted by SUZARD
Banns read for a marriage
St Mary battersea Surrey
Edward Summons Bachelor (clearly writton as Summons)
Margaret Rudler spinster both of this parish
25 Nov 1860 2 Dec 1860 9 Dec 1860

and Margaret's marriage to John CHRISTMAS info. as posted by SUZARD

St Dunstan & All Saints Stepney
26 Dec 1865
John Christmas age 47 widower Occ labourer of 8 East Street father Edward Christmas labourer
Margaret Rudler age 25 SPINSTER of 5 Harrow St father Richard Rudler occupation Pastry Cook
witness Edward Dunn (or Lunn?)
Ann Dunn
all signed

so did the marriage to Edward Summons ever take place???

*edit* marriage details

Edward to Ann McCARTHY - Edward is noted as a batchelor on his 1863 to Ann his occupation is Barge Builder

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Re: margaret rudler
« Reply #26 on: Tuesday 19 July 11 11:46 BST (UK) »
My posts were just to pass on to Lavender 123 where her/his ancestor was buried.