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Re: John Frederick Huber Family
« Reply #9 on: Monday 01 August 11 14:28 BST (UK) »
Hi David

I think I've got the gist of it - hopefully someone will jump in if I've got anything wrong !

It's a Discharge document

Ausmusterungs-schein
Withdrawal Note

Der -----------? Johannes ----------> Huber
Geboren am 9ten Februar 1864 zu S---------berg Ob----------
Weinsberg
-----------? Johannes ----------> Huber
Born on the 9th February 1864 in S---------berg Ob----------
Weinsberg


wird hiermit aufGrund des 36 der Ersatz Ordnung als dauernd untauglich zum dienste im heere
und in der marine anerkannt
is hereby according to the  36 Order/rules declared as permanently unfit for service in the army
and also in the navy


Diesser Schien dient Inhaber allen Militär und Zivil Behörden gegenüber als Ausweis
This Note (document) serves as proof to all Military & Civil Authorities

Weinsberg, den 1ten Juli 1886
(dated in) Weinsberg on the 1st July 1886

Königl. Ober-Ersatz-Kommiss'n im Bezirk der 52 ten Infanterie Brig'e
(by order of) the Cheif (Discharge) District Commissioner  of the 52nd  Infantry Brigade

Der Miltär-Vorsitzende (signed)
Der Zivil-Vorsitzende (signed)
The Military Chairman/Authority
The Civil Chairman/Authority



I beleive at the time, all young men were required at age 20  to serve 4 years in the Military - and since this is dated 1886 and he was born 1864, it seems he was let go as "unfit" after approx 2 years?

I can't make out the full name of the place he was born, which is in the Weinsberg district :
S---------berg Ob----------Weinsberg
The word before Weinsberg may be Oberamt

Not sure of the word before "Johannes" -  it may be his title or rank in the Army?
Also the middle name - the document appears to have a fold in it - is it Frederick (or a form of) or something else....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weinsberg

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AMBLY
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Re: John Frederick Huber Family
« Reply #10 on: Monday 01 August 11 14:54 BST (UK) »
It is Johann Frederick Huber.  Were would i get his birth cert

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Re: John Frederick Huber Family
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 02 August 11 11:53 BST (UK) »
Hi David,

Ah yes,  - it must be written as "Friedrich" I think?   Do you also know what the word is before "Johannes" is?  A rank maybe?

As I understand it, Vital records are kept at local level - ie: there is no National respoitory for BDM in Germany.

The local record offices are called "Standesamt" and one would have to write to them in German, proving a relationship and requesting the record.   Apart from some certain parts of Germany, Civil Registration began in 1876   - and Weinsberg comes under the latter..

Here is the  Standesamt address for Weinsberg:
http://www.standesaemter.net/Standesamt-Kontakt/1963/Standesamt-Weinsberg

You could try them and see what advice they may offer.   I believe though, that prior to 1876 the birth record you need would be kept at church level. And then which religion has to be found (Lutheran & Catholic were the most common).  Then approach the churches in the 'catchment' area where Johannes  was born. ....

...which comes back to the above military document - it would be useful to fully dechpher his stated place of birth. As per above, I can't work  it out.  Someone with a better understanding of German script and place names might be able to help. Once you know where perhaps you can better research the churches which should be approached.

Might I suggest you post a new topic on the Rootschat "Deciphering" board, or the "Common Room" with a link to this one & asking chatters to come and have a look at the document you posted above to work out the pob?

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AMBLY
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Re: John Frederick Huber Family
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 02 August 11 14:50 BST (UK) »
Hi David and Ambly,

The Discharge Papers are for Metzger (Butcher)  Johann Friedrich Huber born in Schwabbach.

Schwabbach belongs to Bretzfeld and you have to apply for a birthcertificate at the Standesamt.
Here is the site for Bretzfeld, scroll down to Standesamt and it gives you an email address.
http://www.bretzfeld.de/index.php?id=56&T=nnvljkjgkr

David, if Johann worked as a butcher in England you should perhaps read on the Europe Board about German Porkbutchers.

Regards, Peonie

Sorry, Schwabbach once belonged to Kurpfalz (Bayern), later to Heilbronn and until 1926 to Weinsberg and then to Bretzfeld. You do have to look at the Standesamt Weinsberg.

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Re: John Frederick Huber Family
« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 02 August 11 15:34 BST (UK) »
The "Landeskirchliche Archive Stuttgart" has Kirchenbücher for Schwabbach. The Films have to be viewed at the Archives. You could write to the parish and see what they have locally.

http://faust.elk-wue.de/zeig.FAU?sid=2E1C239622&dm=1&ind=1&ipos=Schwabbach

Pfarramt Schwabbach

www.bretzfeld.de - Hauptstraße 21, Bretzfeld - 07946 2282

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Re: John Frederick Huber Family
« Reply #14 on: Wednesday 03 August 11 13:37 BST (UK) »
Hi David,

around 1900 Schwabbach had ca. 400 inhabitants. According to the phonebook there are still Hubers living there. The page gives phone numbers and addresses.

http://www.rootschat.com/links/0eii/

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« Reply #15 on: Thursday 18 August 11 11:55 BST (UK) »
Hallo,
nach nochmaligem Suchen habe ich nun sogar das Familienregister der Eltern des Johann Friedrich Huber gefunden, das im Anhang beigefügt ist. Daraus können Sie seine Eltern, Großeltern und Geschwister ersehen. Über Johann Friedrich selber ist allerdings nichts (keine Eheschließung bzw. Tod) vermerkt.

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Re: John Frederick Huber Family
« Reply #16 on: Thursday 18 August 11 12:09 BST (UK) »
Hi David
Great, I see you've been able to get some information - was that via the path Peonie gave you?

The message from the sender of the attachment:

"Hello,
After researching, I have found  the family register of the parents of Johann Friedrich Huber, which is attached hereto. From this you can see his parents, grandparents and siblings. About Johann Friedrich himself, however, there is nothing   (no marriage or death) noted."

http://translate.google.com/#

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AMBLY
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Re: John Frederick Huber Family
« Reply #17 on: Thursday 18 August 11 13:13 BST (UK) »
The attachments column headers:

PAGE1
Hausvater - Householder/ Head (Man) of the House
Column 1
Geburt, Ort, Tag und Jahr - Birth Place, Day and Year

Column 2
Band und Blatt des früheren familien registers
"composite" sheet (blatt) of  the previous family registers" (I'm not exactly sure how to translate  phrase "Band und Blatt")

Column 3
Name, Vorname, Stand - Surname. First Name, Location

Column 4
Eheschließung, Ort, Tag und Jahr - Marriage Place, day and Year

Hausmutter - Matron (woman) of the house
Column1
Vorname und früherer familiename - First name and maiden-name (lit. former family name)

Column2
Geburt, Ort, Tag und Jahr - Birth Place, Day and Year

Eltern des Hausvaters - Vater, Mutter
Parents of the Man of the House - Father, Mother

Eltern der Hausmutter - Vater, Mutter
Parents of the Matron (woman) of the house - Father, Mother

PAGE 2:
Kinder - Children
Column1: Zahl - Number
Column2: Namen - Name
Column3: Geburt, Ort, Tag und Jahr - Birth Place, Day and Year
Column4: Eheschließung - Marriage
   4.1: Ort, Tag u. Jahr - Place, Date & Year
   4.2: Name und Stand des Angetrauten - Name & Location (from 
                       where) of the Spouse
Column5: Band und Blatt des Familien Registers - 'Family Register number & book"
Column6: Tod, Ort, Tag und Jahr - Death Place, Day and Year

That's the (my) translation!
For the deciphering of the data written in the Familienbuch (Family Book) - I can make some out - but hopefully Peonie has recieved an update on this topic and is heading over!  :)

Cheers
AMBLY

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    ~Benito Juarez (1806-1872)