Jonathan Jagger born about 1770 Kirkburton Completed with thanks

[kit54]

Hi,

I'd be very grateful for any help locating the following:

My ggg grandfather, John Hirst, was baptised on 30/Oct 1796 at Kirkburton.  He was the illegitimate son of Ellen (or Ellin) Hirst and Jonathan Jagger of Hepshaw was the reputed father.

I have located Ellin's baptism, but despite great efforts, I cannot find anything further about Jonathan. (The parish register records on Ancestry are pretty awful, with faded/illegible parts and some years are missing big chunks.)  I think that Jonathan also had a brother Matthew bap abt 1773 Kirkburton, but I cannot find this baptism either. I would also love to know what happened to Ellin. Did she ever marry?

Please, is there anyone who could shed some light on this?  I'd be so pleased and so grateful to hear from you,

Thanks,


Chris

[jillruss]

I have ancestors in this area but Hepshaw didn't ring a bell, so I googled it.

It's actually about 10 miles south of Kirkburton, nearer Barnsley. So what makes you think Jonathan was born/baptised in Kirkburton?

Jill

[kit54]

Hi Jill,

Thanks for your reply.

If you look at the Kirkburton Parish Registers, sometimes it describes someone as being from Hepshaw in Hepworth or Hepshaw, Hepworth. I've tried finding out exactly where it was, in or near Hepworth, but I cannot find a suitable map, but I'm reasonably sure it was in or near Hepworth. Jonathan Jagger was described as being from Hepshaw.

Kind regards,

Chris

[jillruss]

My apologies!

I finally found it on the map - about 3 miles east of Holmfirth. Its actually nearer Holmfirth than Kirkburton. I know some Holmfirth baptisms were performed at their Chapel of ease which came under Almondbury parish so will have a look and see if I can see Jonathan's baptism there.

Jill

[jillruss]

Sorry - nothing in the Almondbury registers for a Jonathan Jagger.

Can I ask - was your John Hirst's baptism in 1796 at a nonconformist establishment? It's just that I've looked in my booklet of baptisms at Kirkburton parish church 1795-1812 and it isn't there! 

Jill

[kit54]

Hi Jill,

Thanks for your reply and for looking in Almondbury for Jonathan's baptism, I really do appreciate it.

As described previously, I'm having real problems with Kirkburton Parish Registers.  Also, I realise that there are lots of mistakes too (with the interpretations), so I am looking at the records myself. But I have found, in Kirkburton, not Holmfirth:

John son of Ellin Hirst by Jno Jagger of Hepshaw reputed father ? eeks old (bap) Oct 30th 1796

There is another John Hirst, bap May 31st 1795, son of James Hirst of Hallas

But, I know that my John Hirst was born in Hepworth, so I don't think that this second one is the right one.

There are several years, in the Kirkburton P R's,  which are on Ancestry, where there appears to be huge chunks of the year missing. Do you know if the problem is with the original records themselves, or with the way that they have been copied?

Thanks again,

Chris

 

[jillruss]

This is really strange!

All I can think is that a mistake was made when the FHS were transcribing the registers. if you are looking at the original registers copied on Ancestry and have found the 1796 baptism, then its obviously been left out of the FHS version. I just wonder if it has been included in a Holmfirth booklet that I haven' t got.

Anyway, Jonathan Jagger was the query, and I'm afraid I can't find him either.    The best I can do is from the Almondbury PRs for a Jonas Jagger baptised 1.1.1774 s/o Joshua, a shoemaker. Their abode is Netherthong which is only about 3 miles up the road from Hepworth. But if you're definite about him being called Jonathan, this obviously ain't him!!

Sorry I couldn't be more help!

Jill

[dobfarm]

Hi

http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/Misc/Transcriptions/WRY/ThurlstoneLandTax1803.html

Penistone Parish

Thurlstone Land Tax assessment for 1803

No 19 John Jagger


http://www.archive.org/stream/cu31924028042988#page/n173/mode/2up

Place locations Hepshaw Thurslone page 163 bottom right


May People make this mistake over the moor above Hepworth and Dunford Parish in Barnsley. Hepshaw is at Crowedge just in the Barnsley Boundry with Kirkburton and Penistone parishs.

http://www.barnsley.gov.uk/dunford-parish-council

http://britishlistedbuildings.co.uk/en-333781-barn-at-hepshaw-farm-dunford

[dobfarm]

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