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Re: Berry family, near Claremorris, Co. Mayo
« Reply #9 on: Friday 11 November 11 11:23 GMT (UK) »
Hi Jan,

There is still this centennial farm listing online   
BERRY - LASALLE - STREATOR - EAGLE - 1866 at:

http://www.agr.state.il.us/marketing/centfarms/cent.php?act=1&Own=berry&cnty=LASALLE&city=&town=&order=Primary%20Owner%20Name

I see you can't put an email in a post, even if it's one listed on a website. Rich checks the commercial one frequently, the college one less often. What different birth dates did you see for Mary Berry Curry? I'm pretty convinced of the connections at this point, but hope someday to see Rich's resource, the Berry Family History Report.

I'm still curious about the Cain family in Eagle township, in the same section as some Berry farms. (Have you used www.historicmapworks.com, you can access landowner maps, including old ones, and overlay satellite images.) Just that my Anthony Berry married Sarah Keane/Cain. Could be still more cousins. On the other hand, a common name.

The LCGG has some Solon Funeral Home records that are interesting. I never have enough time to go through all their resources when I visit. Always something more to research the next time!

Steph


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Re: Berry family, near Claremorris, Co. Mayo
« Reply #10 on: Saturday 12 November 11 15:04 GMT (UK) »
Thanks for all your good leads, Steph. As I said, I'm such a novice at this you probably should take things I say with a pinch of salt. On birthdates for Mary Berry Curry, I think I was reading the La Salle County materials wrong--too many Marys!

I would like to see what Richard Foy (or anybody else) has on the Charles/Anthony/Mary siblings. The birthdates range from 1794 (John) to 1828 (Mary). Though certainly not unheard of, that's 34 years of child-bearing. I would love to be sure Rich is correct that they are all siblings. Certainly relatives, otherwise why would Catherine, Bridget and Margaret all wind up in Eagle with Charles & Nappy?

I have a plot-by-plot diagram of the Lostlands cemetery, but the handwriting is so tiny I think I should follow your clues and see if I can find a better version. I never found Charles & Nappy's gravesite when I was there. I now think I see it plotted at the far northwestern corner of the cemetery, which would have been closest to the original church built in 1869, just a few years before they both died. (Makes sense.) I want to see what the dates are (if legible) on the grave marker, since the Rich Foy/Marist site lists birthdates for them as 1813/1814 and 1804 (for both) in different places. I think the earlier dates are correct: at www.findagrave.com under Penelope "Nappy" Prendergast Berry it lists 1804 for both of them. Also, a typed Berry family account I have (done in the 1970s, I think) says:

"Charles and Nappy Berry came to America in 1852. Obtained first Homestead land in Illinois in September 1860. Charles died February 12, 1874 at age 70. Nappy died Jun 18, 1876 at age 72. They had 4 children: Patrick, Mary, Dora, Anthony C. Anthony was 14 when they came to America. He was born in Claire Morris, County Mayo, Ireland. Family settled in Eagle Township, LaSalle County, Streator, Illinois."

Also says: "Anthony C. Berry (1838-May 18, 1923) Farmed--received his first land for $1 an acre in 1869. Married 1870 in Peru, IL to Ann Prendergast (1840-Sept. 23, 1922)" For Richard's chart, this history can provide names/dates for all of Anthony C's children and their descendants--but I know that's getting pretty far afield from your family search.

I know my mother or aunt had a few photos of Berry grandparents, and I think one was of Charles and Nappy. I haven't been able to persuade her to let me look for it, but will see if I turn anything up in the next months. If Nappy is the one in the photo I recall, she's a tiny apple-shaped woman with a big apron tied right up under her chest. Formidable-looking little lady!

I'll let you know if I find anything more....Jan

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Re: Berry family, near Claremorris, Co. Mayo
« Reply #11 on: Saturday 12 November 11 17:01 GMT (UK) »
Hi Jan,

I recall looking at Catherine (1823),  Bridget (1825), Michael (1841)  &  Margaret (1843) Berry and thinking 20 year's span of childbearing was a lot for their mother. I wondered if the earlier ones were from a different mother, but Catherine's death certificate lists Sarah Cain as her mother and Michael & Margaret's baptisms' say Sarah Keane. I suppose the child who was the informant on Catherine's death certificate could've only heard a stepmother's name and not known she wasn't the birth mother, but I'm probably over thinking things!

Everything I read says to realize Irish birth dates vary, that many people in the 19th c really didn't know an exact date.

The Lostlands transcription I have from LCGG says:

BERRY, Charles, husband - died Feb. 12, 1874, aged 70 years.

            Nappy, wife - died June 18, 1876, aged 72 yrs.

Judging from the other listings, they are transcriptions directly from the stones. (They did a good job too, or it was quite awhile ago. There's an infant of my McGrath grgrgrands buried in the oldest part in 1866. The transcription is complete, but the stone almost unreadable now.)

I have noted other dates listed somewhere, 1807 for Chas & 1815 for Nappy.

They are both in my card file of people I tried to find obits for in the Wenona & Streator papers. None for Chas, and only a mention in the June 23 1876 Streator Monitor for Nappy: "Mrs. Nappy Berry, an old lady 72 years of age died at Lostlands on Sunday last." The 1870s are too early for the long detailed obits you find later in the area papers.

Charles and Nappy are in the NW corner of Lostlands, but more N than W.  They aren't too far into the old section to the W, fairly close to the N edge as I recall, and they actually aren't that far off the driveway. Kind of off by themselves, or maybe in the midst of burials with no stones.

I wonder if the cemetery was originally just that smaller section off to the W, where the drive doesn't go thru. If it was, then Chas & Nappy were buried in the NE corner of it.

I just checked Stories of Pioneer Days In LaSalle County,  from 1932 (by schoolkids interviewing old timers) and it says more land was purchased later to expand the cemetery. The Lostlands Cemetery & Church article was by Mary Solon, who says her great grand uncle was Michael Prendergast. She also mentions the Belfords in her article. They are supposed to be related to my Walsh line somehow, but darned if I can figure it out!

Steph

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Re: Berry family, near Claremorris, Co. Mayo
« Reply #12 on: Saturday 12 November 11 17:46 GMT (UK) »
I'm going to have to get that Lostlands transcription! It would be wonderful to have a really accurate "read" of all those ancient markers.

Thank heavens for Nappy! If she didn't have such a distinctive name, we'd probably be wandering amongst the Bridgets and Marys and Catherines wondering who was who.

That's all--interesting stuff, and thanks again--Jan


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Re: Berry family, near Claremorris, Co. Mayo
« Reply #13 on: Friday 26 February 16 22:31 GMT (UK) »
Looking for FOYs I came across your messages.  My ancestors are FOY+MANLEY (MUNNELLY).  My family went to Waukegan IL but others (both sides) went wherever they could, because people were dying of famine...they often had little choice just had to go wherever there was an opening.  A group of MUNNELLYs lived in Belmullet area of Co Mayo, and married PRENDERGASTs (also PENDERGAST) so you might look there.  Some are in my tree at Ancestry.  I was unable to find your link to Richard FOY, but there is a website called "Peter's Pioneers" that is the same group of FOYs.  They had a farm in Derreenascoba and it is still owned by a relative, although not a FOY.  My FOYs lived in Carramore, Backs-Knockmore Diocese (no longer there) but there are several places with that name.  I'm fairly sure they lived in the one sw of Ballina.  My MANLEY/MUNNELLYs lived Moygownaglish Parish, bet Ballina and Ballycastle.  There is a great County Mayo Ancestry group on Facebook where you can get help from members.  I would love to hear from others.  My family are FORD, FOY, MANLEY/MUNNELLY, MEARS/MEER.  Some went to Kansas, NY & PA as well as IL.

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Re: Berry family, near Claremorris, Co. Mayo
« Reply #14 on: Saturday 27 February 16 08:21 GMT (UK) »
Thanks for your message. What is your tree on ancestry? Mine's Steph's 99.9%.

Rich Foy's website has been taken down but some of his Foy family can be found here:
http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=SHOW&db=mckeehutton&recno=997   & here's the related website https://curryberrybyrne.wordpress.com/

I've seen the Peter's Pioneers website before. I didn't think it was relevant to Rich's Foys, but still enjoyed reading it. I will check with Rich to see if he thinks the two groups of Foys are related.

Here is the text from his Rich Foy's website page: Early Foys in Ireland including Egan, Berry, Foy, Morley, Murray, Curry, Sweeney

The Claremorris / Knock / Ballyhaunis Triangle

Within County Mayo there is a small triangle of land with vertices at the towns of Claremorris, Knock and Ballyhaunis.  Almost all of the persons on the Foy side of the family can trace their origins to the western portion of this triangle, along the Claremorris-to-Knock road, either by direct descent or by marriage.

About a mile north of Claremorris along the Knock road, another road branches off eastward past the Carmelite Abbey and burial ground (where many Foys are buried) and passes through some hamlets:  Cartronacross (we call it Cartownacross in our family), Knockatober, the Holy Well, and Garryedmond [aka Garryredmond].  A small road branches north at Garryedmond  and a small road branches south from Garryedmond passing through lower Garryedmond (not mentioned on the map, but near the LC or level crossing at the railroad) leading to the Claremorris/Ballyhaunis road near Koilmore (marked Coilmore on the map).

The Egans lived in Cartronacross with fields extending southward towards Drumkeen.  The Berry lands were along the road from Knockatober to Garryedmond.  The Foy family lived in lower Garryedmond.   When Martin and Anthony Berry and their families left for Kansas in 1884, Patrick Foy moved his family onto their farms (along the road leading north from Garryedmond towards Carraun), occupying Anthony Berry's house while Martin's was demolished and a newer structure was built on the site.   William Foye and Michael Foye were born in lower Garryedmond.  William married Ann Halligan and took over a farm in Kilcolman (slightly west of the Claremorris-to-Knock road).

The Morley family was centered at Maugheramore or Magheramore along the Ballyhaunis-to-Knock road.  The Murray family was centered at Lissaniska, also near Knock.  The Murray girls who came to the United States married men from Kiltimagh and Swinford;  perhaps they did not know each other in Ireland, but they located close by when they came to America, a common migration pattern.

The Curry and Sweeney  families lived close to Knock.  One source places Martin Curry's farm in Ballynabrehon, west of the Claremorris-to-Knock road, midway between Claremorris and Knock and close to Kilcolman, where William and Ann Foy farmed.

The Foy family attended the National School at Koilmore along the Claremorris-to-Ballyhaunis road.   The Egans and Berrys attended the Loughaunnaman school east of the Claremorris-to-Knock road.  All groups walked through fields to reach the schools, rather than taking roundabout roads.

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Re: Berry family, near Claremorris, Co. Mayo
« Reply #15 on: Saturday 27 February 16 14:34 GMT (UK) »
Thank you so much for taking the time to post the info about the places in Co Mayo and who lived where.  Here are some "odds & ends"...Some of the COLEMAN family also lived in Kilcolman.  Coilmore  is sw of hamlet "Curry" which is sw of "Tobercurry".  The town of Tobercurry is in Co Sligo, not far from Claremorris, and I think the CURRYs were from there earlier. "Drumneen" is also known as "Prendergast", north of Claremorris.
There were some EGANs in early Chicago, like 1830's, possibly relatives as there were also FOYs there.  I have found that many times the same families tended to marry back & forth, at least until 1-2 gen after they came to USA.  They also tended to re-use first names which can be a clue to grouping them. 
Ann HALLIGAN (1845-1931) who m William Joseph FOY (1843-1922) is dau of John HALLIGAN (1820-)+Bridget "Biddie" CURRY (1825-).
I also have a Berry HOLLAND b abt 1784 whose family came to Greenville, SC, USA.  There were also HOLLANDs in Co Mayo (m my MEARS/MYERS cousins, moved to Maine.  I have wondered if he may have had a BERRY mother.  His father James HOLLAND (1749-1819) b VA.  Jacob BERRY b abt 1853 IL, Henry b 1856 IL, Sarah b 1849; father Peter b 1816 PA.
Link to index of my tree: http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/7359193/listofallpeople?ss=false&usePUBJs=true&ln=foy
BERRY's many in Claremorris. Garryredmond is located just e of Claremorris (where bef this?).  Derreenascoba (Foys of Peter's Pioneers) is just west of Claremorris, so likely connected.  FOYs likely came into Mayo fr Donegal (maybe Scotland) long ago.  I have a cousin who told me they "have always gone back & forth, hundreds of yrs or more"

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Re: Berry family, near Claremorris, Co. Mayo
« Reply #16 on: Wednesday 09 March 16 03:17 GMT (UK) »
Just came across this site when trying to do a little more research on Sarah Cain. Following for more info.

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Re: Berry family, near Claremorris, Co. Mayo
« Reply #17 on: Wednesday 09 March 16 08:10 GMT (UK) »
In the ensuing years since this post was started I have learned that Sarah (Keane) Berry was born abt 1796 and died Oct 30, 1885 at Garryredmond, Mayo, Ireland. Her death date had inadvertently gotten attached to her husband Anthony Berry on Rich Foy's website, so it is now found on many trees for him.  However the death certificate is for her, not him.

She died a widow. The South Mayo Heritage Centre says Anthony appears to have died pre civil records (1864). He does not appear in Griffith's Valuation despite being a landholder per Sarah's death certificate, so his death may be pre 1857 (when GV took place in Mayo, or 1856 depending on the source). But then Sarah isn't recorded in GV either. There are a couple of Burys listed there, Dennis & John; assume they are the brothers of Anthony, since he had brothers by those names.

Present at Sarah's death was Thomas Dunleary or Dunleavy of Garryredmond. There are Dunlearys in Garryredmond in 1901 & 1911, as there were in GV, then spelled Dunlavy. Just neighbors or relatives? Unknown.

Her maiden name is listed as Keane in Irish records, Cain in the US.