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Augustine -> Austin?
« on: Wednesday 14 September 11 21:54 BST (UK) »
Augustine Murphy, b 1865 in Bath, son of James and Jane Murphy.

I can find him with the family in 1871. In 1881 his widowed mother and his sibs are together in Clapham but I can't find Augustine.

After that, the rest of the family disappears from the English censuses (though 2 of his siblings reappear in Ireland in 1901/11). No further trace of Augustine - However there is an AUSTIN Murphy of the right age, born in Bath and living in Camberwell in the 1891 census. BMD has this Austin Murphy's marraige in St Olave (London/Surrey) in 1889.

I don't want to fork out for the marraige cert though I know some of you will want to suggest that! Has anyone come across a name change from AUGUSTINE to AUSTIN before? Is this likely to be the right person?
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Re: Augustine -> Austin?
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 14 September 11 22:00 BST (UK) »
It certainly sounds promising.  Etymologically it makes sense as the name Austin is derived from Augustine.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Augustine -> Austin?
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 14 September 11 22:09 BST (UK) »
Possible death for his wife?

Death, Mar qtr 1900

Marion Kate MURPHY aged 35

Camberwell 1d 728
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Augustine -> Austin?
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 15 September 11 10:25 BST (UK) »
Hi Annie

Yes, in the Clavey family of Somerset I've found individuals who were named Austin (a common name in the family) in registers, but Augustine in leases/wills. I think Austin is the regular contraction for Augustine

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Re: Augustine -> Austin?
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 15 September 11 20:08 BST (UK) »
That's reassuring -- thanks :)
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Re: Augustine -> Austin?
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 04 November 18 00:38 GMT (UK) »
New thread asking for help opened 2 Nov 2018 by notlob.
I have added link to this thr4ead on the new one.

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https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=802961
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Re: Augustine -> Austin?
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 04 November 18 12:14 GMT (UK) »
dont know if rea my last thread on austin murphy but john became oliver brand and moved to
portsmouth died 1907 mary married micheal roche 1878 and moved to swansea  and i have
marriage cert for austin and marion  many thanks

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Re: Augustine -> Austin?
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 04 November 18 16:33 GMT (UK) »
Re Austin as diminutive of Augustine.

See section about naming practices in Ireland on website KiwiCelts.
 Number 8. Some Regional Naming Practices:
Austin for Augustine  - said to be "common among Catholic peasantry of Connaught".

Robert Matheson, Registrar-General of Ireland in 1901 wrote a book "Varieties And Synonymes of Surnames and Christian Names in Ireland", published 1901; available to download from Internet Archive.
My grandmother had a uncle Austin who died as a baby. He was registered as Austin.  His parents were Irish. His father was probably from County Mayo which is in the Province of Connaught.
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Re: Augustine -> Austin?
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 04 November 18 18:31 GMT (UK) »
St Austin's Catholic Church, Liverpool. Definitely named for St Augustine.
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