Thomas 'Cannum' BALL - Emigrated 1837 on 'Lady Emma'

[LAS1015]

Hello All,

Well, as the subject heading says ... I'm looking for any information concerning my 5 x great grandfather Thomas 'Cannum' Ball born in Kent, UK approx 1781.  He died 1866 at Woodside, South Australia.

I am descended from his son Amos Ball born 1814 in Kent - he died in 1836 at the age of just 22.  He married Sarah Gurr on Christmas Day 1835 at Frindsbury, Kent.  Luckily for me, Sarah was pregant at the time of their marriage ... their son Henry Ball was born 1st May 1836 ... five months later Amos Ball was dead.

Thomas 'Cannum' Ball emigrated to Australia on 4th December 1837 aboard the ship 'Lady Emma', along with his wife Elizabeth and other children.

I'd really love to know what became of my Australian family & descendants, (my cousins!) ... any help would be so very gratefully appreciated    Many, many thanks, 
Lesley

[krisesjoint]

Hi Lesley,

Application for Free Travel ship LADY EMMA 4 Dec 1837

BALL Thomas 1 Male 44 - brickmaker, 1 female 42, 3 children sons 8, 3 1/2 dau 11 application No 1237 embarkation no 623 (Wife Elizabeth Jane, Eliza, George and Thomas)
BALL Amos 23 agriculturalist 1 male application no 1238 embarkation no 624
BALL Elizabeth 21 dressmaker1 female application no 1239 embarkation no 625
BALL Sarah 19 Dom Serv 1 female application no 1240 embarkation no 626
BALL John 17 ag lab 1 male application no 1241 embarkation no 627
BALL Hannah 15 Dom Serv 1 female application no 1242 embarkation no 628

and the passenger list

http://www.slsa.sa.gov.au/fh/passengerlists/1837LadyEmma.htm

It looks like Amos was aboard  It is my understanding that if he applied but did not make the voyage there would be no embarkation number

Cheers Kris 

[krisesjoint]

From the BISA (The Biographivcal Index - taken from many sources including submitted information)

BALL Amos arrived 1837 aboard LADY EMMA (This appears to have been taken from the passenger list alone)

BALL Thomas arrived 1837 aboard LADY EMMA 0ccupation Brickmaker residence Kensington
married Eliz Jane nee LESTER
children Eliza SMITH 1825, Geo 1828, Thos 1833

BALL John arrived 1837 aboard LADY EMMA

Cheers Kris 

[LAS1015]

Hi Kris,

Thank you so much for sending this information ... I'm really very grateful to you.  Now though, there is a distinct possibility that they might not be my family after all    especially given the fact that Amos was there    ... it looks as though I'm going to have to do some more digging.  My Ball family has been an absolute nightmare - almost thought I'd 'cracked it'!  Back to the drawing board   Thank you and I'm very grateful to you for the information.
Best wishes,
Lesley

[alison2763]

Hi Lesley,


BALL Thomas, Elizabeth Jane nee LESTER, Amos, Sarah, John (Blundy), Hannah, Eliza, Geo, Thos arrived in SA 1837-12-04 on Lady Emma from London [Source:2,7(also W JOULE, Jas C SMITH),12,13,23(4),26(J WHELAND)]


John Blundy BALL Full legal Age Single married Ann Ramsay CACUTT Full Legal Age Widow on 3.6.1846 at Holy Trinity Church Adelaide. District: Adelaide. Fathers not recorded.  Book: 1 Page: 256
1. Ann Lester b 22.3.1847 Kenginston- John Blundy BALL and Anne Ramsay PHILLIPS Book: 1 Page : 209
Anne Ramsay BALL died 14.9.1849 aged 25 John BALL { Husband} Residence : Kensington.  Book: 1 Page : 185

Anne Lester BALL 20 married Arthur GRAHAM 27 27.3.1867 BC Chaple Mount TORRENS District: Tal. Brides father: John BLUNDY BALL. Grooms father Richard GRAHAM 70/21
1. Annie Lester b 16.1.1870  Navan. Diistrict: Gil 79/149


George BALL 26 married Cecilia FERRY 22 17.4.1860 Res. of John Matinson FERRY  Lobethal. District: Nairne. GF: Thomas BALL. BF: John Matinson FERRY  42/180
1. Thomas John b 8.2.1861 Woodside 22/230
2. Annie Cecelia b 5.9.1862  Woodside 25/478
3. Mary Elizabeth b 12.11.1864  Woodside 34/80
4. George Arnold b 8.2.1868  Bagots Well 60/585
5. Sarah Lester b 2.4.1870  Bagots Well 84/216
6. Samuel Culley b 25.6.1872  Bagots Well 110/157
7. Margaret Alice Patterson b 17.11.1875  Stanley Flat 157/465
8. Eleanor Emma b 1.6.1878 Stanley Flat 202/146
9. Ida Mabel Becket b 14.10.1880  Stanley Flat 250/149

Eliza BALL Minor married James Culley SMITH Full Legal Age. 13.2.1844 Holy Trinity Church Adelaide. Parents not recorded. 1/77
1. William b 10.3.1845  Section 302 District b District Ade. 1/105
2. James Culley b 22.2.1847 Makgill Rd  DIS: Ade. 1/203
3. Henry Edward b 15.8.1849 Makgill Rd 2/189
4. Thomas Ball b 14.6.1851 { not recorded} 3/218
5. George Ball b 20.8.1853  Kensington 4/200

Thomas' death:
Thomas BALL died 27.7.1866 aged 85. Residence and Place of Death: Woodside District: Nairne. Marital Status: Not recorded. Relative: Not recorded. Book: 24 Page: 431

Possibility for Elizabeth ? :
Elizabeth BALL died 29.7.1868 aged 80 Widow Thomas BALL { Dead Husband} Residence and place of Death: Bagots Well. District: Kapunda.  Symbol. S Book: 32 Page : 497

Have to go to work now.Will have another look at lunchtime  

regards
Alison

[Suffolk Mawther]

Just a thought 

I have heard older people named Ball with the nick-name 'Cannon' = Cannon Ball.

Just wondered if Thomas had this nick-name, or was the Cannum a family name?

Being curious 

Pat ...

[krisesjoint]

Thomas BALL died 27  Jul 1866 Woodside Dist Nai 24 431.He was aged 85 status/relative not recorded residence Woodside

Elizabeth Jane BALL died 29 Jul 1868 Bagots Well Dist Kap symbol S 32 497. She was aged 80 a widow relative Thomas BALL deceased Husband residence Bagots Well

No marriage or death for Amos and no birth of children listed to Amos BALL in SA

Cheers Kris  
 

[LAS1015]

Hi Alison,

Thank you so, so much for all the information and all the time and effort you have taken in bringing all this together.  I've only just replied to Kris and said that there is a real possibility that sadly they're not my family after all    This is all down to Amos being alive and on board.  I really am going to have to do some more digging ...
I know that my Amos Ball married Sarah Gurr on Christmas Day 1835 and that their son Henry Ball was born the 5 months later.  Sarah was only 16 and a half when they got married.  
2 years and 8 months later Sarah marries Charles Stevens and he brings Henry Ball up as his own child so I'm presuming Amos Ball died - (also, someone found a burial which seemed to fit my Amos).  I really thought I'd knocked that Ball 'brick wall' down  
Thank you for your kindness on my behalf ... really very much appreciated.
Best wishes,
Lesley.

[krisesjoint]

Hi Lesley,

I don't know what to think. I have not found another mention of Amos in early SA records. 

1841 census enumerated over 3 pages

407/2 85 District A Kensington Village
BALL Eliza (Female under 21)
BALL George (Male under 35)
BALL Thomas (Male under 35)

407/2 86/2 District A Kensington Village
BALL Thomas (Male over 50)

407/2 87/3 District A Kensington Village
BALL Elizabeth (Female Over 50)
BALL Hannah (Female under 21)

John is missing also.

There is very little surviving of our early passenger lists. I can check the original of the free travel application to verify there is an embarkation no, but  I expect there is, given the numbers are consecutive. I wonder if anybody else has come across embarkation numbers when the person did not make the voyage.

Kris