Frederick GREEN and Agnes CARR

[2011E]

I'm looking for information on Frederick Green and Agnes Carr. I know only what is shown in the documents I have in my possession - such as New South Wales and Tasmania, Australia Convict Musters, 1806-1849 and various other documents related to their transportation to Australia; I am aware that they married and had children in Tasmania, but I have yet to find any more info on either of them in terms of birth places and exact birth years in England, as well as parents names.

http://www.convictrecords.com.au/convicts/carr/agnes/92095
http://www.convictrecords.com.au/convicts/green/frederick/28697

I would like to see these records:

Australia Marriage Index, 1788-1950
Marriage & Divorce
   
Frederick Broughan Green = Agnes Carr

   


Also, I would like to see these records, found in the Criminal Registers:

Location of Trial
"Frederick Green abt 1824 10 Apr 1837 Lancashire, England"
"Agnes Carr abt 1823 9 Jul 1838    Lancashire, England"


I would appreciate any suggestions about where to look for any other documents, that could, if these don't, state birth places and exact birth years in England, as well as parents name.

Could anyone help me?
Thanks.

[Sharon01]

Hi,

Frederick Green was transported for 14 years for Larceny, he had been convicted before also.

Agnes carr was transported for 7 years also for Larceny.

Sharon

[Neil Todd]

Hi, Probably the best and most reliable source of correct information would be available on the marriage certificate for these two. It is at least from the Horses mouth so to speak. Have a look at the resources for Australia at the top of the board and follow those.
BDM records are available and transcriptions are cheaper than the certificates.

Neil

[sparrett]

The marriage was registered in VICTORIA.


 CARR Agnes
TO GREEN Frederick Broughan
 Year 1846
Reg  15C
Denomination Methodist / Wesleyan
Parish: Melbourne

Two possible births

 GREEN Elizabeth
Father Frederick
Mother Agnes
Birth Place MELB
Year 1849
Reg  10565
Denomination Methodist / Wesleyan
Parish: (not stated)

 
 GREEN Mary Ann
Father Frederick
Mother Agnes
 Birth Place MELB
Year 1847
Reg  15189
Denomination Church of England
Parish St James, Melbourne


Sue

[Dundee]

Hi 2011E,

You will not get details of birthplaces and parents from Tas certificates for that time period.  Have a look here at what you can expect to see http://www.jaunay.com/bdm.html

From Tas Archives
http://portal.archives.tas.gov.au/menu.aspx?search=11

Agnes CARR

http://search.archives.tas.gov.au/ImageViewer/image_viewer.htm?CON40-1-2,266,178,L,80
http://search.archives.tas.gov.au/ImageViewer/image_viewer.htm?CON19-1-14,256,9,L,80

Frederick GREEN

http://search.archives.tas.gov.au/ImageViewer/image_viewer.htm?CON31-1-16,256,242,L,80
http://search.archives.tas.gov.au/ImageViewer/image_viewer.htm?CON18-1-22,248,101,L,80

The name of the town on the right hand side of the description list is usually their native place.

I do not see a marriage for a Frederick GREEN and Agnes CARR in Tasmania.  Is there any particular reason that you think the couple having children in Tas were convicts and not immigrants?

Do you know where your Frederick and Agnes died?

Debra 

[sparrett]

I am aware that they married and had children in Tasmania, 2011E

So it seems the Victorian (reply #3) marriage is not your people and Debra sees no marriage in Tasmania.

Have you seen something that makes you think there was a marriage?

Sue

[Dundee]

I believe that the marriage found by Sue in Victoria is your couple.  Frederick died in 1889 and Agnes in 1904, both at Launceston.  Agnes names one of her sons as "Frederick Brougham Green" in her Will.

http://portal.archives.tas.gov.au/menu.aspx?search=9

She also mentions daughter Agnes Eliza BILLING - Agnes married Thomas John BILLING at Launceston in 1876 and died in Victoria in 1923 aged 77.  This confirms that she was the first child, baptised in May 1845 in Tas before the marriage in Victoria.

Debra  

[Dundee]

Also, I would like to see these records, found at ancestry.com in England & Wales, Criminal Registers, 1791-1892:

Name    Estimated Birth Year    Date of Trial    Location of Trial
"Frederick Green    abt 1824    10 Apr 1837    Lancashire, England"
"Agnes Carr    abt 1823    9 Jul 1838    Lancashire, England"


These documents are digitised on Ancestry - if you don't have a sub then the website is free to view at most libraries.  The criminal registers state name, age, crime, date and place of trial, and sentence.

Agnes's death notice says she was in her 78th year in 1904, so born around 1826.  Her convict record has her born around 1823.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/35805477?searchTerm=agnes%20green&searchLimits=l-decade=190|||l-year=1904

Debra 

[majm]

Hi there,

http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_details.aspx?casualty=659202

GREEN, ALBERT JAMES Private, #231649  of  New Zealand  2nd Bn, Wellington Regiment, N.Z.E.F.
Son of Sarah Ann Green, of Carra Lynn, Bulls, Rangitikei, New Zealand, and the late Frederick Brougham Green.  (mentioned by Sue in reply #   3  )
Grave/Memorial Reference: ZIX. 6.  Cemetery: BRIGHTON CITY CEMETERY (BEAR ROAD)


http://muse.aucklandmuseum.com/databases/cenotaph/locations.aspx ... has information and a photo for Albert James GREEN

Archways New Zealand has not yet digitised his war service files, nor the probate for him, BUT if you post a request on the NZ Rootschat thread I feel sure that there will be a kind RChatter who will make that request for you, saving you some pennies ...  here's the link to the NZ RChat board  http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/board,299.0.html

Cheers,  JM