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Re: Help with an elusive marriage, please.
« Reply #18 on: Saturday 15 October 11 23:55 BST (UK) »
He should be in the Castle Douglas/Kelton area - b.c. 1865 but if he was a hotel boots he could be in many of the hotels in the area  :-\

Witnesses were William & Isabella McWilliam


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Re: Help with an elusive marriage, please.
« Reply #19 on: Saturday 15 October 11 23:59 BST (UK) »
The 1932 death in Castle Douglas is the John McWilliam who married Helen - she's listed on the death cert as his 2nd wife.


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Re: Help with an elusive marriage, please.
« Reply #20 on: Sunday 16 October 11 00:02 BST (UK) »
Possible 1901 for Helen?

Nellie McWilliam 27 b  Balmaclellan Galloway  Living in Old Cumnock Ayrshire with the Thomson family and 9mth old daughter Nellie b Dumfries

Old Cumnock ED 1 Page  25 Line 11

A peek at Nellie's birth reg perhaps???
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« Reply #21 on: Sunday 16 October 11 00:06 BST (UK) »
Only one showing is a Helen Jane McWilliam, b. Dumfries 1900

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Re: Help with an elusive marriage, please.
« Reply #22 on: Sunday 16 October 11 00:12 BST (UK) »
That's very likely her - particularly as Helen snr was Nellie back in 1881
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« Reply #23 on: Sunday 16 October 11 00:24 BST (UK) »
Had to do a quick plug in of my laptop  ::)


It checks out

Helen Jane McWilliam b. 8 June 1900, Dumfries.
Parent - John McWilliam, Porter in Hotel and Helen m.s Dalziel.
Marriage date as above Reply #12

So where was John on the 1901?

I'll see if I can locate on the 1911 Scottish - he seems to have stayed in Scotland


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« Reply #24 on: Sunday 16 October 11 01:28 BST (UK) »
 I've found John McWilliam's birth on the IGI. He was born Kelton 25  Sept 1863.  Parent were  as his marriage and death cert. (James McWilliam and Mary Jane Comline)

So the one that Carole found living in Colvend on the 1901, looks the best bet ~

Kippford, Colvend
1901 861/1 1 11
John McWilliam, boarder,mar, 37, granite quarryman. b. Kelton

In 1911, he's still in Colvend Parish but back to hotel work ~

Back Row, Kippford, Colvend
1911 861/1 1 13
(Next door to the Anchor Hotel)
John McWilliam, hd, 46, mar, hotel driver, b. Kelton

Poor man - he marries in 1888 to Elizabeth McGuffog.  His first wife dies in 1891. He marries again in 1893.  He seems to be separated (or at least living apart) from Helen/Nellie by 1901 and Nellie is living with William Butters by 1906 and he dies of cancer of the testes in 1932.


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Re: Help with an elusive marriage, please.
« Reply #25 on: Sunday 16 October 11 08:22 BST (UK) »
Good lord I've woken to a torrent of information. Looks like you've all cracked it, I'm very impressed and  greatful and so will my wife Sarah. We have a photo of Helen and she is spookily identical in looks to my mother in law and so she's always stood out to us and we've always been intrigued about her past but while I'm usually ok at researching English records I've never had much call to look in Scotland, I appear to be as unScottish as it's possible to be, so apart from familysearch and freereg I was a little lost! Thanks for everyone's hard work and general brilliance! I guess I was right about the dodgy marriage, wonder what happened between her and her husband!

Best Regards,

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Durham: Hall, Wilkinson, Taggart, Woodcock, Watson, Gray, Wood, Cummings, Wheldon, Robinson, Cowley, Perkins, Burnside, Corby
Yorkshire: Petty, Blenkiron, Stabler, Garforth.
Northumberland: Wood, Hall, Wilkinson.
Lincolnshire: Bavin, Cook, Graves/Greaves, Catten
Gloucestershire: Smith, Jones, Wheeler
Ireland: Taggart, Workman.

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Re: Help with an elusive marriage, please.
« Reply #26 on: Sunday 16 October 11 10:54 BST (UK) »
Hi again,

Just been going through this with my wife Sarah and she wanted to pass on her thanks. William Routledge Butters was also a quarryman and I think the 1901 census for John will be right. I'm guessing little Nellie/Helen Jane McWilliam died. Fascinating stuff.

Best Regards,

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Durham: Hall, Wilkinson, Taggart, Woodcock, Watson, Gray, Wood, Cummings, Wheldon, Robinson, Cowley, Perkins, Burnside, Corby
Yorkshire: Petty, Blenkiron, Stabler, Garforth.
Northumberland: Wood, Hall, Wilkinson.
Lincolnshire: Bavin, Cook, Graves/Greaves, Catten
Gloucestershire: Smith, Jones, Wheeler
Ireland: Taggart, Workman.