Luddites and their Children

[Sunlaws]

Hi
John HILL was a cotton-spinner from Greetland, aged 36 in 1813.

There is no burial for John Hill in the Elland registers, nor for Job HEY (waterman, aged 40), who also came from Greetland. Both were tried, convicted and hanged along with William HARTLEY.

William Hartley had married Sarah SUTCLIFF on 22nd September 1791 at St. John's, Halifax, when both were said to be 'of Luddenden'. William was able to sign the register, Sarah wasn't. It appears to have been a double wedding, as William witnessed the marriage on the same day, between James BUCKLEY and Sarah HARTLEY. There are a number of christenings in the St John's registers which look likely to be William Hartley and Sarah Sutcliff's children:
Anthony chr 16.9.1792
John chr 12.11.1797
James chr 29.12.1799
Grace chr 15.8.1802
William chr 1.4.1804
Sarah chr 3.8.1806
Elizabeth chr 4.9.1808
Grace 7.6.1812

Regards,

Lesley

[bykerlads]

My Hill was George b.1771 Pogmore nr Barnsley but already living,+ wed to Susannah,at Hartshead in 1803 when his son Francis was born.
Do we have any record of where John Hill was born/baptised?
A bit of a "long shot " that they might be related but worth a look .
Not sure where I got the idea that luddites were buried at Hartshead- will try to find out.

[bykerlads]

Have just had a bit of a google-"luddites hartshead" yields a lot of refs- it seems the story about the secret burial of luddites at Hartshead refers to the aftermath of the attack on nearby Rawfold mills. Patrick Bronte was vicar at the time.

[Sunlaws]

I can't see any likely baptism for John HILL at Elland.
He married Susannah FLEEMING on Christmas Day 1810 at Elland, but didn't baptise any children in St Mary's.

There was a Mark HILL, cloth dresser of Dalton aged 26 in 1813 'charged with beginning to demolish the Mill of William Cartwright', but he was 'Discharged without Prosecution'.

Regards,

Lesley

[dave the tyke]

Further to Sunlaw's posting on the 25th of October

It appears to have been a double wedding, as William witnessed the marriage on the same day, between James BUCKLEY and Sarah HARTLEY

I've come across several of these in the Huddersfield area. I got the impression that anyone who could write their own name was roped in as a witness for other marriages on the same day.

Dave

[Sunlaws]

Yes, there are lots of instances of 'rent-a-witness', but on this occasion I had assumed that Sarah HARTLEY was possibly William Hartley's sister, or cousin. Sarah's bridegroom James BUCKLEY witnessed William's wedding. I presume they still had to pay two lots of fees to the vicar, but might have been able to economise on the post-wedding party!

Regards,

Lesley

[sallyyorks]

Re "Patrick Bronte and burials of luddite rioters" .
 Patrick Bronte was the Parish Vicar (St Peters at Heartshead ) closest to Rawfolds Mill (near Cleckheaton) at the time of the riots there. (said to be the source of the events in Charlottes novel Shirley). He kept a loaded pistol by his bed at the time of the riots , as im sure many did. 
The following quote is from a book about The Brontes by Brian Wilks 
 "The story is told that when one night he stumbled upon some men digging  in a corner of his churchyard , he had the good sense to realise that it was an illegal burial of rioters who had died from their wounds while in hiding . He turned a blind eye"

[J.R.Ellam]

Some work was done into that rumour and it was found to be unfounded.

The church for Rawfolds would have been Birstal but Mirfield was also close.

John

[sallyyorks]

Some work was done into that rumour and it was found to be unfounded.

The church for Rawfolds would have been Birstal but Mirfield was also close.

John