Christmas Evans (Ystradgynlais) or the family of ...

[rickjt62]

In the 1891 Census, a member of my Hambrey/Hambury family, John Hambrey (b Blaenavon c1867) was lodging with a widow, Elizabeth Evans (b c1856) in Ystradgynlais.

He subsequently married Elizabeth in 1897 yet by the 1901 Census had "renamed" himself John Hambery WILLIAMS - I have no idea why as, to my knowledge there are no "Williams" names associated with either himself or his wife at or before 1901.

I have found Elizabeth Williams in the 1911 Census at Brynawel, Ystradgynlais, listed as a widow - yet I'm having problems finding a) a death for John "Hambery" Williams between 1901 & 1911 and b) what happened to the family following the 1911 Census.

The 1911 Census shows Elizabeth with her son CHRISTMAS EVANS (b Cwmbach c1876), daughter Deborah Williams (b Cwmbach 1882), Deborah's husband George Williams (they married in 1908) and Daniel Jones aged 86, father of Elizabeth.

I wonder if anyone has any knowledge of this family as I am at a dead end.

I have headed this topic Christmas Evans as there may be more of a chance of finding out some more info.


Thank you
Richard
Blaenafon

[dragongirl]

hI RICHARD
  I`ve found your John Hambury/Hembury according to the free index he is still alive in 1911 and living not to far away from you if you are still in Blaenavon!!
1871 Incline Cottage Llanfoist
 Ketanuk Hambrey  67 yrs Head born Carmarthen
 Ruth         "dau    29yrs coaline fitter born Blaenavon
 John       " grandson 3 yrs       born Blaenavon
1881  Census  13 lower New road Llanfoist
John Hambury is 13yrs old Haulier Lodger  born Blaenavon
Lodging with  Richard Good and family
1891 Census  2 Pleasant Grove Pit Place Aberdare
Elizabeth Evans W   36yrs  born Aberdare
Christmas Evans  15yrs   Son         "
William Gorde 16yrs  visitor  Blaenavon
 JOHN HAMBURY  23YRS  single boarder Haulier  Blaenavon
 Henry Bates   Boarder 25years  Creech Somerset,
No record for 1901  the reason becoming Plain on 1911
where he is an Army Pensioner/
I`ll try and find his Army records. 

[suzard]

hI RICHARD
  I`ve found your John Hambury/Hembury He is still alive in 1911 and living not to far away from you if you are still in Blaenavon!!I`ll P.m you with that census but here are the others
1871 Incline Cottage Llanfoist
 Ketanuk Hambrey  67 yrs Head born Carmarthen
 Ruth         "dau    29yrs coaline fitter born Blaenavon
 John       " grandson 3 yrs       born Blaenavon
1881  Census  13 lower New road Llanfoist
John Hambury is 13yrs old Haulier Lodger  born Blaenavon
Lodging with  Richard Good and family
1891 Census  2 Pleasant Grove Pit Place Aberdare
Elizabeth Evans W   36yrs  born Aberdare
Christmas Evans  15yrs   Son         "
William Gorde 16yrs  visitor  Blaenavon
 JOHN HAMBURY  23YRS  single boarder Haulier  Blaenavon
 Henry Bates   Boarder 25years  Creech Somerset,
No record for 1901  the reason becoming Plain on 1911
where he is an Army Pensioner/
I`ll try and find his Army records and send them with  details by PM 

1871 census - was Ruth age 29 John's mother???


If so he is lodging with her in 1881 - where she is married to Richard Good

1891 I think it is William Goode (not Gorde) age 16 who was visiting - he was the son of Richard Good(e) and possibly Ruth -so he could be John's half sibling


Suz

[suzard]

hI RICHARD
  I`ve found your John Hambury/Hembury He is still alive in 1911 and living not to 1881  Census  13 lower No record for 1901  the reason becoming Plain on 1911
where he is an Army Pensioner/
I`ll try and find his Army records  

Isn't this the census record which Richard Believes is "his" John?

1901
RG13 5063 80 23

Where John is listed as John Hambrey Williams age 33 b.Blaenavon Mon

??

Suz

[rickjt62]

Yes .. suz - that is the census

Elizabeth is also on the 1911 for Ystradgynlais Lower as widowed

And yes, that is the same family in Blaenafon ... and William Goode was indeed a half-brother

Thanks
Rich

[suzard]

what surname did john use when he married??

Have you noticed in 1901 when Elizabeth apprears married to John -she has the middle initial "H" ??

I wondered if maybe John's father was a Williams?? -and maybe John started using a dauble barrelled name??

There is a Williams family next door in 1871 - but Williams is not an unusual  name - especially in S Wales

Am trying to establish what name his death reg may bein??

Suz

[rickjt62]

He used Williams as his name for the marriage

I am assuming that the "H" in Elizabeth's record is for Hambrey as in every other census and her two marriage records there are no middle initials

I actually never thought about his father being Williams

Ruth Hambrey had two children out of wedlock, one dying a year before John's birth

This poses a further question ... my very large "Williams" family were in the vicinity of John's illegitimate birth around that time and beyond

I wonder if anyone will turn up with links to this family

[Vasquez109]

A 'Christmas Evans' was baptised at Holy Trinity Church, Ystalyfera on 17 Feb 1878 with parents John & Elizabeth.

and one buria lof a 'Christmas Evans' at Holy Trinity on 16 Sep 1911 aged 1mo. Address of Swan Cottage, Ystalyfera.

PM me if you want any more info.

David.