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Early Australian Crest
« on: Tuesday 29 November 11 09:01 GMT (UK) »
I have an antique fish slice by the famous Australian silver smith, Alexander Dick who migrated to Sydney in 1823.
It has a crest of a mailed arm holding a flag. I would be grateful if anyone could shed some light on whose crest it was.

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Re: Early Australian Crest
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 01 December 11 10:44 GMT (UK) »
Hi Brisant,
You might be better off posting in the Heraldry section. You will find it towards the bottom of the main index page.

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Re: Early Australian Crest
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 01 December 11 10:52 GMT (UK) »
Welcome to Rootschat, Brisant. I've moved your topic to the Heraldry board  :)
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Re: Early Australian Crest
« Reply #3 on: Friday 02 December 11 00:07 GMT (UK) »
Thank you, folks, i am new to this!

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Re: Early Australian Crest
« Reply #4 on: Friday 02 December 11 00:18 GMT (UK) »
I will be interested to see what the experts say about this, but I think the arm might be a common symbol on crests. (but I may be wrong  ;))

Not sure if it will help anyone, but would you be able to get a good photo of the hallmarks and post that too?

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Re: Early Australian Crest
« Reply #5 on: Friday 02 December 11 03:09 GMT (UK) »
Thank you. will see what I can do.
It has the sterling silver lion, George III's head, the London date letter for 1800 (E) which seems to be on all of Dick's pieces, and a rather strange symbol which purports to be the crowned leopard's head for the London assay office, is obviously his own design. It also has stamped "A. DICK".
Naturally it was not made in 1800, as he only arrived in the colony in 1823.
Brisant

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Re: Early Australian Crest
« Reply #6 on: Friday 02 December 11 10:08 GMT (UK) »
I can't find the crest in any of my reference books.  There are a number of similar crests but none of them holding the standard horizontally.
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Re: Early Australian Crest
« Reply #7 on: Friday 02 December 11 11:18 GMT (UK) »
The last hallmark (A.Dick) looks to be a lot newer? It hasn't worn hardly at all?

Couldn't find a silversmith/maker by that name on http://www.silvercollection.it/

Also, the year letter could be 1880?
I'm not an expert, so not sure.

Scrub that!

Maker is Australian Silver smith Alexander Dick, Sydney, NSW, active 1820's to 1840's.

http://www.silvercollection.it/AUSTRALIASILVERSMITHSCD.html

There are 10 examples of hallmarks under Alexander Dick, in 2 columns.
4th one down, right-hand column is almost identical to yours?
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Re: Early Australian Crest
« Reply #8 on: Friday 02 December 11 12:06 GMT (UK) »
Quote from: Brisant on Friday 02 December 11 03:09 GMT (UK)

Naturally it was not made in 1800, as he only arrived in the colony in 1823.
Brisant


Most working silversmiths with retail business carried imported silver or plated items as current stock and locally produced items were manufactured only to fulfill immediate orders (as presentation trophies) when the waiting time to order pieces from England was too long.
No form of official mark or date letter system was introduced into the hallmarking of Australian silver.

http://www.silvercollection.it/AUSTRALIASILVERSMITHSCD.html

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