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Jem Roche Great Irish Boxer
« on: Sunday 04 December 11 05:26 GMT (UK) »
Hi,

Looking for information on the parents of James (Jem) Roche.

His father John Roche and mother Mary Roche nee Moran were from the Ballinclay area of Killurin, County Wexford.

When did they die?

Where are they buried?

They both seem to be on the 1911 Census, but in different places.

John, age 61, in Ballinclay, Killurin.

Mary, age54, in Slaney Street, Wexford Town.

Mogue

All in County Wexford
Breslin/Breslawn: Monaseed
Burke: Monamolin.
Byrne: Ballycanew.
Cullimore: Killurin.
Dempsey: North Co.Wexford
Doyle: Horetown.
Doyle: Killurin.
Doyle: Newbawn.
Fardy: Killurin.
Kinsella: Ballycanew.
Kinsella: Killenagh.
Kinsella: Monamolin.
Larkin: Killurin.
Lumsden: All Wexford
Moran: Adamstown.
Moran: Killurin.
Mythen: Oulart.
Ryan: Killurin.
Swords: Monamolin.
Tee/Tighe: Coolafancy, Co. Wicklow.
Tighe/Tee Monaseed.
Wafer: Ballygarrett/Monamolin

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Re: Jem Roche Great Irish Boxer
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 04 December 11 14:06 GMT (UK) »
The following might be of interest - article published in the marshalstown journal 2003 there is an article about Jem Roche as he worked for a time at Carton Forge of Scarawalsh - it lists his birth place as Glynn .

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Re: Jem Roche Great Irish Boxer
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 04 December 11 16:59 GMT (UK) »

Looking for information on the parents of James (Jem) Roche.

His father John Roche and mother Mary Roche nee Moran were from the Ballinclay area of Killurin, County Wexford.

They both seem to be on the 1911 Census, but in different places.

John, age 61, in Ballinclay, Killurin.    Mary, age54, in Slaney Street, Wexford Town.

Mogue

In the 1901 census John Roche is residing in Slaney Street and is described as a “van driver”. It’s highly unlikely that at his age he became a farmer by 1911 from his own toils.

In the 1911 census John is still described as the “head of family” on form B1 for the Slaney Street address even though he’s not residing there.

The likelihood is that between 1901 and 1911 he had to take on the family farm holding (which includes a stable, cow sheds etc) from his younger brother Edward Roche who was farming there in the 1901 census. 


Dalton: Wexford Town/Ireland
Curran: Ballyvaloo/Blackwater/Co Wexford/Ireland
Clowery/Farrell: Wexford Town/Ireland
Flood: Enniscorthy & Wexford/Ireland
Ormand/Kirwan: Blackwater/Co Wexford/Ireland
Shortman: Bristol/Westbury-on-Trym/Manchester
Trull: Uley/Dursley/Glos
Cross: Dursley/Glos
Hazard: Bristol/Manchester


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Re: Jem Roche Great Irish Boxer
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 06 December 11 00:22 GMT (UK) »
Hi Tomahurra

Thank you for the details, hopefully I will get to see the 2003 Journal in Wexford Library.

Some where I have seen it written that Cartons in the forge were related to Jem Roche the boxer, but it did not say which side of the family, his father John Roche or mother Mary Moran.

Glynn mentioned would be the RC Parish of Glynn.

Jem Roche was born in the Moran house in Ballinclay Upper in the Parish of Glynn.

I would be interested in any other articles or information on Jem Roche.

As Jem Roche’s parents died after his World Title fight in 1908, I am sure there would be obituaries for the deaths of his parents in the local papers.

Any information would be greatfully received

Mogue

All in County Wexford
Breslin/Breslawn: Monaseed
Burke: Monamolin.
Byrne: Ballycanew.
Cullimore: Killurin.
Dempsey: North Co.Wexford
Doyle: Horetown.
Doyle: Killurin.
Doyle: Newbawn.
Fardy: Killurin.
Kinsella: Ballycanew.
Kinsella: Killenagh.
Kinsella: Monamolin.
Larkin: Killurin.
Lumsden: All Wexford
Moran: Adamstown.
Moran: Killurin.
Mythen: Oulart.
Ryan: Killurin.
Swords: Monamolin.
Tee/Tighe: Coolafancy, Co. Wicklow.
Tighe/Tee Monaseed.
Wafer: Ballygarrett/Monamolin

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Re: Jem Roche Great Irish Boxer
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 06 December 11 01:00 GMT (UK) »
Hi Shorts

Thank you for all the details.

What you say seems to make sense.

I do not know if John died on the farm or moved back to Wexford Town before he died.

The Roche families have graves in the local Whitechurch graveyard but it is not known if John Roche or his wife Mary Roche nee Moran are buried there.

I have not seen a headstone with either of their names on it.

Maybe some in the boxing clubs in Wexford may have some details on their deaths? I think many brothers? and/or cousins? of the Roche family were involved in Boxing in the Town.

Mogue
All in County Wexford
Breslin/Breslawn: Monaseed
Burke: Monamolin.
Byrne: Ballycanew.
Cullimore: Killurin.
Dempsey: North Co.Wexford
Doyle: Horetown.
Doyle: Killurin.
Doyle: Newbawn.
Fardy: Killurin.
Kinsella: Ballycanew.
Kinsella: Killenagh.
Kinsella: Monamolin.
Larkin: Killurin.
Lumsden: All Wexford
Moran: Adamstown.
Moran: Killurin.
Mythen: Oulart.
Ryan: Killurin.
Swords: Monamolin.
Tee/Tighe: Coolafancy, Co. Wicklow.
Tighe/Tee Monaseed.
Wafer: Ballygarrett/Monamolin

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Re: Jem Roche Great Irish Boxer
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 03 January 12 22:11 GMT (UK) »
I think Jem Roche's sons Pierce and Seamus were both involved in amateur boxing in Wexford Town. As a matter of interest ,among  Jem's grandson's are playwright Billy Roche and internationally known singer/musician,songwriter Pierce Turner.

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Re: Jem Roche Great Irish Boxer
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 18 May 13 20:47 BST (UK) »

Looking for information on the parents of James (Jem) Roche.

His father John Roche and mother Mary Roche nee Moran were from the Ballinclay area of Killurin, County Wexford.

When did they die?

Where are they buried?

They both seem to be on the 1911 Census, but in different places.

John, age 61, in Ballinclay, Killurin.

Mary, age54, in Slaney Street, Wexford Town.

Details of Mary Roche's death in 1911

(Source: The Free Press - Saturday November 4th 1911)
Dalton: Wexford Town/Ireland
Curran: Ballyvaloo/Blackwater/Co Wexford/Ireland
Clowery/Farrell: Wexford Town/Ireland
Flood: Enniscorthy & Wexford/Ireland
Ormand/Kirwan: Blackwater/Co Wexford/Ireland
Shortman: Bristol/Westbury-on-Trym/Manchester
Trull: Uley/Dursley/Glos
Cross: Dursley/Glos
Hazard: Bristol/Manchester

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Re: Jem Roche Great Irish Boxer
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 14 August 14 23:38 BST (UK) »
Hi Shorts

A very belated thank you for the cutting. I have now obtained the death cert.

I can only assume that she is buried in the Roche family graves in Whitechurch. I do not see a headstone with her name on it.

Thank you so much for all your help.

Mogue
All in County Wexford
Breslin/Breslawn: Monaseed
Burke: Monamolin.
Byrne: Ballycanew.
Cullimore: Killurin.
Dempsey: North Co.Wexford
Doyle: Horetown.
Doyle: Killurin.
Doyle: Newbawn.
Fardy: Killurin.
Kinsella: Ballycanew.
Kinsella: Killenagh.
Kinsella: Monamolin.
Larkin: Killurin.
Lumsden: All Wexford
Moran: Adamstown.
Moran: Killurin.
Mythen: Oulart.
Ryan: Killurin.
Swords: Monamolin.
Tee/Tighe: Coolafancy, Co. Wicklow.
Tighe/Tee Monaseed.
Wafer: Ballygarrett/Monamolin

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Re: Jem Roche Great Irish Boxer
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 14 August 14 23:50 BST (UK) »
Hi Shellback

A very belated thank you for the information. I was not aware his sons were involved in boxing. I have seen articles in the local papers connecting Billy Roche and Pierce Turner to the boxer, there seems to be a lot of talent in the Roche family.

Mogue.
All in County Wexford
Breslin/Breslawn: Monaseed
Burke: Monamolin.
Byrne: Ballycanew.
Cullimore: Killurin.
Dempsey: North Co.Wexford
Doyle: Horetown.
Doyle: Killurin.
Doyle: Newbawn.
Fardy: Killurin.
Kinsella: Ballycanew.
Kinsella: Killenagh.
Kinsella: Monamolin.
Larkin: Killurin.
Lumsden: All Wexford
Moran: Adamstown.
Moran: Killurin.
Mythen: Oulart.
Ryan: Killurin.
Swords: Monamolin.
Tee/Tighe: Coolafancy, Co. Wicklow.
Tighe/Tee Monaseed.
Wafer: Ballygarrett/Monamolin