Captain Hugh Duncan b Abt 1833

[seaweed]

I think it is a mistake or typo but I understand your need to be sure.
Hugh's first two certificate numbers indicate that they were for Foreign Trade.
Cert number 102973 indicates a Home Trade certificate. Take a look at the National Archive Catalogue.
Pieces BT125/2 BT122/32 and BT122/73.
I don't know where you are based but if you are close to Kew it may be expedient to visit and take a look at the above pieces.
Whilst you are there you may wish to look at the Muster Roles for HMS MAEANDER from 1848 onwards in ADM38/4043--ADM38/4047

Other alternatives, you could contact NMM via this form
http://www.rmg.co.uk/researchers/library/masters-certificates-request-form
or visit London Metropolitan Archives to View the original Lloyd's Captains Register.

Have you searched any Crew Agreements for Hugh?
Have you looked at Lloyd's Lists?

Do you have details of HMS MAEANDER?

SW

[olduser1]

Thanks for the reply, let me expand on what I have found to date:
I obtained A3 schedule's of the Register
The 1888 Captains Registers for Hugh Duncan has the number written clearly  - 102973 - , the reply back from Nat Maritime Museum stated the names on the M/C 102973 relates to George Symes not Hugh Duncan. I had hoped this was straight foreward error between George & Hugh
The Maeander ship details came from www.pdavis.nl records the ship built 5th may 1840/44 tons/sail/wrecked at Ascension July 1870.
I am 200 miles from Kew so not able to view records
I did ask the TNA for the details of the Maeander ship 1848 quoted the Captain Henry Kepel & ships boy H Duncan but they replied that this enquiry was too broad.
I may plan another visit to Liverpool Maritime Museum to search the MF for Lloyds Lists

[seaweed]

OK. I will be at Kew Thursday week all being well. If I get time I will take a look at BT125/2 to see who's name is recorded on certificate 102973. No promises though.

SW

[olduser1]

Seaweed : The Captains Register M/C 102973 has no voyages listed for 1888-onwards -  just the ref  to Hugh Duncan's death 10/03/1897.
Thanks again for your kind offer

[olduser1]

Seaweed Now found a likely match by using the TNA records for Hugh Duncan b Greenock Lanarkshire rather than b Liverpool.

After searching on FindmyPast, BT 113/182 piece 182 records - writing is faded
Hugh Duncan  age 17
Ticket 362879
First Entry
DOB 04 04 1832 - This date 4th April albeit 1835 is on the Mates/Masters certs for Hugh sent by Nat Maritime Museum
Residence Greenock Lanarkshire
Issued 04 June 1849 HMS Maeander

I then searched further and found
Bt 114/7 which has Hugh Duncan Ticket 362879 and a 2nd ticket 203817 [?]

Then to the ships on Bt 116/29 for voyages 1853-1857 for Hugh Duncan born Greenock.
These all tie in withthe names on Hugh Duncan Service Record sent by the N maritime Museum.

So I am now happy I have the link to Scotland albeit Greenock rather than Dunoon as per family stories

[UNDERTAKER]

The David  Gillespie i was telling you about. think they went to at least two different places,there was a few david gillespies at the time in and around stirlingshire/lanarkshire. i know i am related to one of them. however think the ones who were sailors went to liverpool and also southampton from stirlingshire/lanarkshire around falkirk, i think, so maybe hugh was related to the one which went to liverpool.


T.

[seaweed]

Sorry for the late reply. My PC crashed.
The  Home Trade Certificate of Competency and Service  number 102973 was issued to George Christopher Primrose Symes on May 25th 1888.
If indeed Hugh Duncan died in Argentina in 1897, one would presume he was still  working as a Foreign going ships captain and therefor in possession of a Foreign Trade certificate. I am still of the opinion that there is a mix up, mistake or typo in Lloyd's Captains Register. It would not matter if Hugh Duncan had lost his previous certificates. The records that survive would be the central office records and not the certificates given to the individual Captain.
I think you need to look at Lloyds List. I think NMM Liverpool have copies

[olduser1]

SW many thanks for taking the time to look up these records.

The copy of the Captains Register I have from vol 46 - 1888 does  show Hugh Duncan  M/C 102973 but no voyages recorded.
 The on-line records still don't have surname S so can't check any Symes.
I'll organise another trip down to NMM Liverpool as you suggest .
I am still hopeful of a error or a switch around of the M/C details Symes to Duncan.

[Kitch]

Thank you seaweed. I am following this avidly as well.