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Re: Mullan or Mullane/Duval
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 18 January 12 10:08 GMT (UK) »
Blimey Ros,Hope your having as much fun finding this as i am reading and trying to take it all in,the old saying you can't pick your rellies ah,this is so intresting,never thought I would uncover this family secret.I know now why the children went into an orphange,that is all we knew.

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Re: Mullan or Mullane/Duval
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 18 January 12 10:15 GMT (UK) »
Yes I am enjoying reading it -  I think it would make a great book (or film).   James is involved in a garrotting later but that will be a later chapter

I was worried where the children were during their drinking and crime sprees.  Here it says James was found sleeping in street with his 4  ??? children and then later Margaret was found sleeping in street with her 3  ??? children.
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article12934935

What a terrible time for the children!

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Re: Mullan or Mullane/Duval
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 18 January 12 10:22 GMT (UK) »
A little more about the conditions of the poor children.    Here it refers to James Duval's wife as Mary but it must be a typo as it also refers to the assault on Hogan (which was elsewhere reported to be by James and Margaret Duval).

http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article60128968

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Re: Mullan or Mullane/Duval
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 18 January 12 10:38 GMT (UK) »
1889 could be your James Duval guilty of bigamy and charged with not paying maintenance to wife (wives  :D?)
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article13714530
Although James would be 70'ish so maybe not him  Edit to add:  It does say accused is a pensioner

1893 could be your James involved in a garrotting
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article13903897

1893 James Duval acquitted on charge of assault and robbery
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article71188430

Or perhaps it is the son? edit to add :  No you said the son had died in 1886.  (or someone else entirely)

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Re: Mullan or Mullane/Duval
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 18 January 12 10:55 GMT (UK) »
I did hear there was another child called Margaret born 1847 but was not sure of it,this might explain the 4 children and Jane died at a young age,any wonder why,poor children.
Couldn't see anywhere how long James was jailed for the murder?
You have been great posting all this up,I am vey greatful Ros,
I wonder why I left this side of the family last to research?
Those horrible pair were my GGGGrandparents,glad it didn't continue down the line.
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Re: Mullan or Mullane/Duval
« Reply #14 on: Wednesday 18 January 12 10:59 GMT (UK) »
Hang on Ros I will check,there were two sons John and James,one of them had a son James to,will get back to you on that.


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Re: Mullan or Mullane/Duval
« Reply #15 on: Wednesday 18 January 12 11:10 GMT (UK) »
It was a sad story.  Glad to hear at least one of the children had a family and a normal life.  It's not often you'd say that they would be better off in an orphanage (especially at that time).   But in this case it probably saved their lives!

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Re: Mullan or Mullane/Duval
« Reply #16 on: Wednesday 18 January 12 11:21 GMT (UK) »
Ros on the two boys James and John,James had a child called James.
James Duval b.1872 d.1929
Married Mary E Quinn 1862
They had 11 children,so quite possible,lets see how far this criminal activity goes on for.lol :D

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Re: Mullan or Mullane/Duval
« Reply #17 on: Wednesday 18 January 12 11:22 GMT (UK) »
Here it says that James Duval of the Lady Kennaway had his ticker of leave cancelled for drunkenness in 1852
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article12948736

So he was a transported convict?  And on the same ship as Margaret?

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