Thomas of Llangeinwen & Hughes of Llanidan

[BigAl54]

Hi,
I'm trying to track the ancestry of my great-great-grandparents, William Thomas of Llangeinwen, born c 1809, and his wife Grace Hughes of Llanidan, born c1810.  They would have married around 1830 and from the Census & BMD records lived in Llangeinwen until their deaths in the 1860s/1880s.

Haven't been able to access the relevant parish records for Llangeinwen or Llanidan to date and I'm not sure whether they were "Church" or "Chapel".  Would be very grateful if someone could point me in the right direction.  First post on RootsChat, so here goes!

Thanks,
Alan.

[Tall Al]

Hi Alan,

I have the memorial inscription book for Capel Dwyran, Llangeinwen and William and Grace are not shown.

However are you a member of Ancestry? - there are some family trees on there which show that William died 15 March 1866  and Grace on 20 February 1884. One tree says William is buried with Grace in Llangaffo.

Gwynedd FHS has memorial inscription booklets for Llangaffo.

If you were to contact Anglesey Archives they may be able to find the births and marriage or alternatively a visit there may prove successful in tracing their parentage.

Unfortunately I can't see either birth or their marriage on FamilySeaarch.org (The Latter Day Saints site)

Hope this helps

Alan

 

[BigAl54]

Thanks Alan.

I am a member of Ancestry but hadn't found the tree with mention of the burials at Llangaffo.  Looks as though they may have been "Church", if not in the Capel records.  I'll obtain the Gwynedd FHS memorial inscriptions and see where that leads me - thanks for that.

Am in Australia, so getting to Anglesey is a bit of a problem (at least for the moment).  There seem to be more Welsh parish records coming online lately, which is heartening.  Does the records office on Anglesey do searches?

Appreciate the help.

Cheers,
Alan.

[graf]

This family was the subject of discussion on this board in December 2009.

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,425217.0.html

[Tall Al]

Hi Alan,

Anglesey Archives will do searches for you - if you contact them with as much detail as you know - see their site www.anglesey.gov.uk/archives for full details.

From what "Graf" has found, they are Church rather than Capel, as they were married at Llangeinwen Church on 7 May 1830.

When you have made 3 posts you will be able to send "Graf" a personal message and he may have more details of the marriage and perhaps have parents details?

Alan

[BigAl54]

Thanks very much Graf and Alan.

Are you able to give me the details of their marriage entry please, Graf?  If you can, that would be much appreciated.  If not, I'll contact the archives.  Either way, I'm now in a position to make progress on this thanks to you both.

Alan.

[graf]

The Gwynedd Family History Society index of marriages lists only the date and names
of this marriage at Llangeinwen church:

7.5.1830 William Thomas to Grace Hughes

I don't have access to the parish baptisms of that time but I can provide the
marriages of his probable daughters at Llangeinwen church:

12.10.1852
William Parry, bachelor of full age, labourer of Rhuddgaer s/o William Parry labourer
to Ellen Thomas, spinster of full age, d/o William Thomas labourer of Llangaffo.           
           
21.2.1854 
Williams Griffith, bachelor aged 22, labourer of Gwalchmai s/o Hugh Griffiths labourer
to Catherine Thomas, spinster aged 22 of Groeslon, d/o William Thomas labourer.

Groeslon was located in an exclave of the parish of Llangeinwen known as the
Rhandir, and seems to have developed into a village in the middle 1800's,  since
it is not shown on an 1818 map of the area. The cottage where William Thomas
lived was probably built on the farm called Cae'r berllan (aka Berllan green),
owned by Evan Owen, whose will in 1840 described six houses in a row "built by
me in Groes lon grin" and bequeathed to his 3 daughters. Nearby, just across
the parish border, was the parish church of Llangaffo and in 1884, the Rhandir
was transferred from Llangeinwen to Llangaffo, and Groeslon became the modern
village of Llangaffo.

This may explain why William Thomas and his wife Grace were buried at Llangaffo
church and he was sometimes said to be of Llangaffo.

[BigAl54]

That's great Graf.

It helps to have some local history.  Am I right in Groeslon meaning crossroads in Welsh?  Had been looking at the Ordnance Survey OpenData maps online to try to find where it was, and it all makes sense now.

Thanks for the marriage details - they should help with Census searches.  My great-great-grandmother Mary was married in Carnarvon, so I already have those details.

Are there any other sources of the Llangeinwen and Llanidan parish register baptism details, apart from the Archives and the parts so far on FreeREG?