Phillips of Hand Hotel,Llangollen

[gower]

thank you not the same family....... thanks

[Pgen]

Hi
Ive just found the subject, and will add some comments to various posts. Sorry if this has a repeat of something already reported but the entire topic is all too much to remember
Mary Ann Haustead's parents were Thomas Haustead and Elizabeth Evans
(sorry no records of proof atm)
her first marriage was to William Robert Phillips (1823-1855)
Her children previously listed
second marriage to Edward Edwards (no more details atm)

pgen

[Pgen]

Of the children of William Robert Phillips and Mary Ann
Amey married William Parker (b 1859 Brigg, Lincolnshire)
children
1-  John leighton parker (1889 - 1968) - went to Cornwall
2- Robert leighton Parker (1891- 1959) - may have worked on ships - died in Sussex

can give you more detail if asked (pm me offline)
pgen

[Pgen]

William Parker came from a large family in Brigg, Lincolshire, but in 1881 Census he and his sister Annie Parker, were staying with/working for their uncle Elias Griffith in Chirk
Elias Griffith ran the Hand Hotel (not sure if owner or licencee). His wife, Ann (nee  Leighton) was sister to William & Annies mother, and had died before the 1881 Census so Im assuming William & Annie came to Chirk to represent the family and help out.
Annie Parker was my great-grandmother and married William Thomas Peate from around the general Oswestry >Llangollen area and in 1892 they moved with their family to New Zealand.
I can give full details of the Peate line if wanted (pm me offline)

pgen

[Pgen]

I would be interested to know if there was some other relationship or connection between the Phillips and Elias Griffith, that he came to take over the hotel from Amy Phillips

pgen

[Relative Stranger]

Sorry, I have only just come across this topic as I have only recently discovered that my ggg grandfather John Smith was married a second time to Amey Phillips of the Hand Hotel Llangollen. His daughter Abigail (my gg grandmother) was Amey's stepdaughter in the 1851 Census. Due to the fact that so many Irish records have been destroyed, I cant find out what happened to her son John Joseph Smith after Amey died in 1858. To be honest, I find the situation strange in that she appeared to live in Llangollen (she died there) and her husband lived in Ireland!  How did they even meet in the first place?

[wilcoxon]

North Wales Marriage indexes for the years: 1850
SMITH John / Phillips Amey . Llangollen, St Collen Denbighshire .
They married in Llangollen Parish Church.

The record is on FindMyPast. Maybe the entry will give some clues.
SMITH  JOHN  —  —  1850  Denbigh Marriages  Pontfadog, Denbighshire,
PHILLIPS  AMEY  —  —  1850  Denbigh Marriages  Pontfadog, Denbighshire, Wales 

North Wales Chronicle Feb 19 1850
Marriage
On the 7th inst at  Llangollen  Church  by the Rev W A Edwards vicar M.A. , Amey youngest daughter of Mrs Phillips, Hand Hotel Llangollen to John Smith esq. solicitor Roscrea, Ireland.


1851.
Church Street Llangollen.
Amey Phillips 60 innkeeper b Birmingam
Jane Richards 61 sister b “
Jane Phillips 36 innkeppers dau b Llangollen
Anny ( Amey)  Smith dau 29 M solicitors wife b Llangollen
Abgail Smith 9 solicitors daughter b Dublin
John Joseph Smith  nephew 3 months solicitors son b Llangollen

So where is John Smith in 1851?

[wilcoxon]

This is quite odd.
Free BMD
Deaths Mar 1858   
Smith  Amy    Corwen  11b 334

Wrexham Advertiser Feb 20 1858
PHILLIPS.
On the 10th inst at Llangollen, Anne , youngest daughter of the late Mrs Phillips of the Hand Hotel .

Cheshire Observer Feb 20 1858
Death On the 140th inst Amy  youngest daughter of the late Amy Phillips at the Hand Hotel

There is no  death on BMD for an Anne Phillips in that qtr  , so is this Amy Smith. If so why is she not named as such.

[Pgen]

It was Amy Phillips who died as reported.
I would think that spelling her name as Anne was a reporter or papers error (probably not a 1st hand account).

The younger John Joseph Smith in 1861 census is probably
1861 Census
Shropshire, Ellesmere, District 7, p38/41  [references from Ancestry pages]
John Smith, 10 Pupil at the Vicarage, Ellesmere, born Llangollen, Denbighshire

And a guess for the 1871 census - though the age is slightly out - it would seem likely if he received money and property from his mothers death
1871 Census
Cheshire, Tranmere, district 3 p22
John Smith, boarder, 23, land and property income, born Llangollen

After that there are so many John Smiths in England & Wales it would be hard to find either the father or son - not including any chance that they went back to Ireland.
I have not yet found the elder John Smith in 1851 so am assuming he's in Ireland

I would say that Amey Smith probably stayed in Llangollen to help her mother Amey Phillips [died 27 Aug 1857] run the hotel.
Im still trying to trace the whereabouts some of Amey Smith/Phillips siblings

Can you share any details of Abigail Smith's time after 1851?