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Re: Buckinghamshire Lookups Anderson/Andrews Families
« Reply #9 on: Monday 06 February 12 12:38 GMT (UK) »
But, I’m not sure what you meant by your following comment in regards to “Robert”:

“FindMyPast (which I use for censuses) has transcribed young Robert as 8 years old! That's why I couldn't find him!”

Because I was using FindMyPast a lot, I took out an annual subscription - it's cheaper that way per search!

I meant George Wall, not Robert - sorry!
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Re: Buckinghamshire Lookups Anderson/Andrews Families
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 07 February 12 00:54 GMT (UK) »
Thanks KG, for that I was confused with "Robert".

Were you able to pick up anything on Elizabeth Anderson cc1844 on the 1871 Census?

I'm still trying to establish Jesse/Jasper Andrews/Anderson's birth 1834 Kingsey.  it could be registered in the Oxford side of the country?

Thanks a million.


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Re: Buckinghamshire Lookups Anderson/Andrews Families
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 07 February 12 07:30 GMT (UK) »
First off: who is this Elizabeth, born 1844?
I can't see her connected to Jesse/Jasper? ???

Jesse/Jasper's birth is before the start of civil registration, so you need to search out Parish Registers.
I don't have access to them!
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Re: Buckinghamshire Lookups Anderson/Andrews Families
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 07 February 12 12:06 GMT (UK) »
Thanks KG,

I did post a few posting back:

And it appears that the 1881 confirms the information of the 1861 Census.  I wasn’t able to pick up a marriage of George & Eliza Wall from the Free BMD.  My great grandfather’s younger sister, Elizabeth born 1844 could have married George Wall as I found a corrupted GRO Free BMD marriage of a George Wall at Wycombe 1857.  This could be the man?

I checked the 1881 Census on the LDS site, and I noticed that the Eliza was born 1839, London St Lukes, London, Middlesex, England.  My Elizabeth (Eliza) Anderson was born 1844 at Shenley, Buckinghamshire, England.  I couldn’t find her on the 1881 Census, so could indicate that she may had died.  Can you pick Elizabeth Anderson cc1844 on the 1871 Census anywhere?


And basically that is what I was trying to establish, whether this Elizabeth is the Elizabeth, and I thought that the 1871 Census might confirm something.

Sorry, I was under the assumption that you may have had aaccess to the Parish registers.

Thanks again for your help.


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Re: Buckinghamshire Lookups Anderson/Andrews Families
« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 07 February 12 12:40 GMT (UK) »
Looking at the 1851 census, I can see an Elizabeth Anderson, born 1844, Hughenden, but her parents are William and Ann, and there is no Jessie or Jasper.

On other census returns I can't see Jasper/Jesse with a sister Elizabeth?

So I can't see how you connect Elizabeth to Jasper/Jesse ???
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Re: Buckinghamshire Lookups Anderson/Andrews Families
« Reply #14 on: Wednesday 08 February 12 05:09 GMT (UK) »
Looking at the 1851 census, I can see an Elizabeth Anderson, born 1844, Hughenden, but her parents are William and Ann, and there is no Jessie or Jasper.

On other census returns I can't see Jasper/Jesse with a sister Elizabeth?

So I can't see how you connect Elizabeth to Jasper/Jesse ???

Thanks KG,

This is were it has become confusing for me as the following I downloaded from LDS IGI, which are extracts from Parish Registers.

Family of William and Ann Anderson of Buckinghamshire

 1. JOSEPH ANDERSON - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 01 JUN 1834 Hughenden, Buckingham, England
 
2. ELIZABETH ANDERSON - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 06 MAR 1842 Hughenden, Buckingham, England

 
 3. SARAH ANDERSON - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 06 DEC 1840 Hughenden, Buckingham, England
 
 4. ANN ANDERSON - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 01 MAR 1846 Hughenden, Buckingham, England
 
 5. Mary Anderson - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 28 MAR 1823 Kingsey, Buckingham, England


Family of William and Mary Anderson of Buckinghamshire

1. JOSEPH ANDERSON - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 01 JAN 1837 Upton Cum Chalvey, Buckingham, England
 
 2. ELLEN MARY ANDERSON - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 01 SEP 1839 Upton Cum Chalvey, Buckingham, England
 
 3. FREDERICK ANDERSON - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 13 MAY 1827 West Wycombe, Buckingham, England
 
 4. EDWARD ANDERSON - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 11 JUN 1824
 
 5. EDWARD ANDERSON - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 13 MAY 1827 West Wycombe, Buckingham, England
 
6. ELIZABETH ANDERSON - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 25 AUG 1844 Shenley, Buckingham, England

 
 7. ANNE ANDERSON - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 16 JAN 1831 Upton Cum Chalvey, Buckingham, England
 
 8. WILLM. ANDERSON - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 25 FEB 1827 Upton Cum Chalvey, Buckingham, England
 
The Elizabeth of Hughenden that you mention on the 1851 Census was born in 1846.
 
I have assumed that the LDS IGI list of William and Mary Anderson are the same William and Mary (Blewer) Anderson of Long Crendon.  I guess I was trying to establish if Jesse, sometimes called Jasper Andrews, sometimes called Anderson were of this family listed on the LDS IGI list by my assumption.

Oh well, I may as will give up, because I just can’t seem to find any connection of my multi name great grandfather.

When I found James Wall, grandson, on the 1861 census with William and Mary (Blewer) Anderson, who are the parents of my multi name great grandfather, I was trying to definitely establish that was so.  The mention of the grandson and from your previous information confirmed that George Wall married Anne Anderson, who I believe is the Anne Anderson (B: 1831), sister of my multi name great grandfather.

Therefore, I believe that the family listed above of William and Mary Anderson is the same family William and Mary (Blewer) Anderson.

Now I am confused, are you????

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Re: Buckinghamshire Lookups Anderson/Andrews Families
« Reply #15 on: Wednesday 08 February 12 07:20 GMT (UK) »
I prefer census data to the IGI! Too much submitted data on there for my liking! ;D

From 1851 census:
HO107, 1720, 196, 6
Aylesbury Lodge, Hughenden, Buckinghamshire

Anderson, William  Head  M  42  Under Gardener to B. Disraeli  b West Wycombe
Anderson, Ann  Wife  F  42  Lace Maker  B Hughenden
Anderson, Charlotte  Daughter  F  21  Lace Maker  b Hughenden
Anderson, James  M  18  Ag Lab  b Hughenden
Anderson, Joseph  M  18  Ag Lab  b Hughenden
Anderson, Sarah  Daughter  F  9  Lace Maker  b Hughenden
Anderson, Elizabeth  Daughter  F  7  Lace Maker  b Hughenden
Anderson, Ann  Daughter  F  5  b Hughenden


The other family have moved to Yorkshire:
HO107, 2329, 218, 11
Ledsham Lodge, Ledsham, Pontefract

Anderson, William  Head  M  37  Woodsman  b Ledstone
Anderson, Mary  Wife  F  30  b Shenley, Buckinghamshire
Anderson, Elizabeth  Daughter  F  7  Scholar  b Wheddon, Bucks
Anderson, Ann  Daughter  F  5  Scholar  b Shenley
Anderson, George John  Son  M  3  b Ledsham
Anderson, Mary  Daughter  F  2  b Ledsham
Anderson, John  Son  M  7 months  b Ledsham
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Re: Buckinghamshire Lookups Anderson/Andrews Families
« Reply #16 on: Wednesday 08 February 12 09:53 GMT (UK) »
I find the LDS IGI okay, only when they stated that the information is extracted from Parish Registers.  As for all the other stuff that is posted by many whose information is from family tales that are distorted and are like dreamtime stories.

Anyway, I have progressed in one direction but not in the direction that I was hoping to go, such as trying to establish the birth or baptism register of Jesse Anderson or Jasper Anderson.  I believe he was born as Jasper, and then all the deception began.  It was like as though he was trying to hide from someone, maybe a couple of other wives.  Who knows?

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Re: Buckinghamshire Lookups Anderson/Andrews Families
« Reply #17 on: Tuesday 28 February 12 01:14 GMT (UK) »
Hi KG,

Am back, as I have been waiting on a reply from the Buckinghamshire County Council, and they confirmed this:

1833 Baptism:

Jasper Anderson was baptised at Kingsey parish church, Buckinghamshire on July 28th 1833. He was the son of William and Mary Anderson, the father being a Labourer.

1856 Marriage Parish Register:

Jesse Anderson, aged 24 years, bachelor and farm labourer of Crowell Hill, son of William Anderson, farm labourer
Married
Elizabeth Brown aged 25 years, spinster, lacemaker of Bledlow, daughter of David Brown farm labourer, at Bledlow parish church on 29th November 1856, by banns.
 
The witnesses were James Anderson, Ann Wall and William H Richardson

On the BMD:

Marriages Jun 1853:
Andrews    Ann        Thame    3a   619       
Wall    George         Thame    3a   619   

You said on an earlier posting that you looked at the actual GRO, and spent more time trying to decipher the page number than the actual name, which appeared to be WALL, which in this case was WHALE.

Marriages Mar 1857:
Wall    George __o__t        Wycombe    3a   41_

I can’t find how I did it, but when I deciphered the page number (41_), I think it came out Page 447, and I discovered a George Wall married to Eliza Anderson.

And when I noticed the witnesses to Jesse/Jasper’s marriage to Elizabeth Brown, such as Ann WALL.

I have Anne Anderson married to William Seymour, so it looks very much likely that George Wall married Elizabeth Anderson, but I am Elizabeth Anderson as being born 1844, which could possibly be a baptism date a number of years after birth???

Any thoughts?