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Raymonds of Kiffig & Llansadurnen
« on: Sunday 05 February 12 11:47 GMT (UK) »

Particularly interested in whereabouts of Henry Raymond circa 1891.  He was born in 1860 in Cringa, Kiffig to Benjamin & Keturah; he went to Australia in 1885 but returned to farm at Llansadurnen/Laugharne - date uncertain but probably after only a few years - but not found on UK census (until 1901 and 1911)

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Re: Raymonds of Kiffig & Llansadurnen
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 05 February 12 11:49 GMT (UK) »
 info for searchers...

KIFIG (CYFFIG), a parish, in the union of NARBERTH, county of CARMARTHEN, SOUTH WALES...

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Cooks -(Clackmannanshire); Erskines - (fife); Youngs - (Dunfermline); Charltons - (Tyneside ); Skillings - (N.Norfolk); Legg - (N.Yorks, Tyneside) ; Carter - (Durham); Miller -(suffolk); Pattinson -(Lincs)

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Re: Raymonds of Kiffig & Llansadurnen
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 05 February 12 11:56 GMT (UK) »
have you dismissed this one - he may have come from Aussie via a stop in N york

Name:            Hy Raymond
Birth Date:       abt 1857
Age:                42
Port of departure: New York, New York, United States
Arrival Date:      21 Jun 1899
Port of arrival:    Southampton, England
Ship Name:        St Louis
Shipping Line:     American Line
Official Number:  116669

travelling with wife as a merchant.  was he married??

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Re: Raymonds of Kiffig & Llansadurnen
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 05 February 12 12:06 GMT (UK) »
Thanks for prompt reply.  I ruled him out - plus a coal miner of the same name elsewhere in Wales in 1891.  Henry did marry but not until he was 60....

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Re: Raymonds of Kiffig & Llansadurnen
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 05 February 12 21:41 GMT (UK) »
There's an H Raymond coming in on the Hohenstaufen  from Sydney on 12 April 1892 aged 31. he's single and a cooper

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Re: Raymonds of Kiffig & Llansadurnen
« Reply #5 on: Monday 06 February 12 10:01 GMT (UK) »
Thank you Mabel.  Name age and departure country seem fine and date would explain absence from UK census.  Trade something of a mystery but I guess you could declare yourself as Archbishop of Canterbury and if there was space on the paperwork it would be written down.  He was a farmer but immigration records in Freemantle have him as 'carter'.

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Re: Raymonds of Kiffig & Llansadurnen
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 06 February 19 22:50 GMT (UK) »
This is off an Excel sheet I have taken from the census documents for Laugharne and sold as a CD-ROM. Honeycorse seems to be outside of Llansadurnen near the main road between Laugharne and Pendine.

1871 Census Laugharne

Honeycorse.Raymond, Benjamin.Head.Married.41.Farmer of 194 Acres.Crunwere, Pembs.
Honeycorse.Raymond, ??iah.Wife.Married.33.Farmers Wife.Llanboidy
Honeycorse.Raymond, David.Son.Single.14.Scholar.Cyffig
Honeycorse.Raymond, Henry.Son.10.Scholar.Cyffig
Honeycorse.Raymond, John.Son.9.Scholar.Cyffig
Honeycorse.Raymond, Richard.Son.8.Scholar.Cyffig
Honeycorse.Thomas, Samuel.Lodger.Single.25.Theological Student.Cyffig
Honeycorse.Adams, John.Servant.Single.22.Farm Servant.Laugharne
Honeycorse.Thomas, Mary.Servant.Single.20.Farm Servant.Llansadwrnen
Honeycorse.Davies, Caroline.Servant.Single.17.Farm Servant.Laugharne

1901 Census Laugharne
Honeycorse.Raymond, Henry.Head.Single.40.Farmer & Quarry Proprieter. Carmarthenshire.Both

Honeycorse.Morgan, Hannah.Servant.Single.41.Dairymaid.Carmarthenshire.Both
Honeycorse.Raymond, Maggie.Servant.Single.15.Servant.Carmarthenshire.Both
Honeycorse.Howells, Theophilus.Servant.Single.16.Horseman.Carmarthenshire.English
Honeycorse.Jenkins, Thomas.Servant.Single.16.Cowboy.Carmarthenshire.Both
Honeycorse.Beynon, Edward.Servant.Widow.53.Smith & General Work.Carmarthenshire.Both
Thompson, Ikin, Oakes and Goulding of Over, Winsford, Cheshire

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Re: Raymonds of Kiffig & Llansadurnen
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 07 February 19 20:18 GMT (UK) »
He is not listed in 1891 at the family farm. I do not have 1881 listings other than a series of images that do not include Honeycorse. I cannot find him through other sources. Family Search say he was living in Llansadurnen in 1881 aged 20 as a Farmer's son. He could have gone anytime after 1881 and returned before 1901. In 1911 he was aged 50 and living at Llansadurnen, Honeycorse, Carmarthenshire.

1891 Census Laugharne
Honey Corse Farm.Raymond, Benjamin.Head.Married.61.Farmer.Crunwere.English
Honey Corse Farm.Raymond, Kethurah?.Wife.Married.55.Llanboidy.English
Honey Corse Farm.Raymond, Catherine.Granddaughter.10.Scholar.Llansadwrnen.English
Honey Corse Farm.Lewis, William Raymond.Grandson.1 Month.Llansadwrnen.
Honey Corse Farm.Davies, Rees.Servant.Single.20.Farm Servant.Laugharne.English
Honey Corse Farm.Watts, Ga?? Female.Servant.Single.20.Farm Servant.Laugharne.English
Honey Corse Farm.John, Margaret.Servant.Single.15.General Servant Domestic.Laugharne.English
Thompson, Ikin, Oakes and Goulding of Over, Winsford, Cheshire