Dating this photo?

[PrueM]

Ah, I can see the limited length of the whip now, John - thanks for pointing that out

It does look like a rather large jacket for him, doesn't it. Perhaps his mum thought he'd grow into it?

[Jean McGurn]

I wonder if the two men are wearing someone else's clothes.

The rider's trousers look as if they slightly creased which maybe are not usual for riding boots as well as the jacket not looking quite right for riding

The city gent seems to be standing as he thinks city gents would stand with their rolled up umbrellas.

Dopesn't help with the dating unless it is a black and white photo from a very much later date trying to look as if it's earlier - if you see what I mean

Jean

[-Glen-]

Hi All,

Thanks so much for your responses! I forgot to mention that the chap on the left (Dennis) died in 1916 of war wounds.

We don't know who the man on the right is.

There is no father recorded on Dennis's birth certificate. Although family hearsay is that his father was 'Lord of the Manor'.

I'm going to re-read all of your comments now and then speak to my friend (who is the Granddaughter of Dennis).

Kind regards,
Glen.

[-Glen-]

Hi,

I've just caught up with the Granddaughter of Dennis.

There's nothing written on the back and it's about 3" X 4" in size, with a small white edge.

Kind regards,
Glen.

[chinakay]

Its not writing on the back we want to see..it's printing. Any design, lettering, anything at all. It's a dating clue.

Cheers,
China

[sheena58]

The coat is large but even modern hunting coats are much longer than hacking jackets, so not unreasonable to assume this is a riding jacket. I think the strange appearance of the neck is probably because he is wearing a stock, again these are still worn today. The hat is slightly unusual, unless they have swapped. Bowler hats were quite commonly worn to hunt, and I met an elderly gent about four years ago who still hunted in a bowler, despite being in his 80s!
Maybe all staged for the photo but I think the chap on the left is fit to ride.

[Wiggy]

Do you think this might be posed and 'dressed up'   The clothes don't look 'right' to me.   

Oops sorry didn't read to the end of the thread   

[John915]

Good evening,

No, he has no stock on. He is wearing what was apparently called a "bib" in riding parlance. He would have had a collarless shirt with the bib over the top. This would have been just a front with the round collar similar to a dog collar, this is a modern version; http://www.robinsonsequestrian.com/riding-apparel-1/just-for-show/shirts.html?page=2 The stock is like a cravat and was worn tied around the neck but over the shirt and fastened with a stick pin. If he has the bowler for riding in why is he carrying a riding hat with his gloves and whip.

John915

[sheena58]

Sorry, I obviously didn't make myself clear. I was not suggesting that his bib was called a stock, but thought the neck looked rather high and that he could also be wearing a stock.  Because we have stocks in our house, I didn't think to describe one.
Your eyesight is obviously better than mine, John. Try as I might I can't see a riding hat, only a whip and gloves. I can see a curved crease in the photograph, but no hat.