Jacob Englander need some help please.

[Englander]

Jacob Englander was the father of Bernard Englander, when Bernard married on the 6 March 1893  in Bradford Jacob is deceased, when was Jacob born who did he marry and when did he die, any other family information would be helpfull, parents, brothers and sisters, thank you.

[stanmapstone]

Have you seen in the 1891 census a Bernard Englander, born Germany about 1868, Tailor, single, is a boarder at 9 Duke Street, Salford.

Stan

[Englander]

Hi Stan, thanks for this

Rob.

[JustinL]

Hello,

Can you please tell us the name of Bernard's bride, and those of any children they had?

Justin

[Englander]

Hi, the name on the Marriage cert is Betsy Rosenberg, but the family name is Bertha Rosianski, they had two children, Morris and Minne, born Bradford and Nottingham.

I found a Jacob Englander in the London Gazette, March 12 1861?

Rob.

[JustinL]

Hello Rob,

How can you be sure that Betsy Rosenberg and Bertha Rosianski are one and the same person? Do you have birth certificates for either Morris or Minnie?

If that were so, it also appears that Bernard was later known as Barnett.

How do you fit into this family, and what is known as fact at this stage?

Justin

[Englander]

Hi Justin,

l have the cert for Morris (Maurice) 1893 Bradford, mothers name Bertha Englander formerly Rosianski, a few people said Betsy and Bertha are the same but got no actual proof, l have got the Rosianski line back to  Rabbi Jacob Rosianski and Pauline Beerwald (Beerwald branch of family supposed to have emigrated to America and became well-known philanthropists) cant get past this?

Maurice was my grandfather, often called himself Barnett as did Bernard, i,m stuck with Jacob Englander? (ironmonger on cert)

Rob.

[JustinL]

Rob,

I can find next to nothing on a Rosianski/Rossiansky family in the UK? Do tell me more of what you know.

I would be very sceptical about assuming that Bertha Rosianski marred under the name of Betsy Rosenberg; the surnames are too dissimilar.

A few more census searches indicate that the family moved to Birmingham, where a Barnett Englander died in 1906. Bertha and Minnie were later lodging in Birmingham; no sign of Morris/Maurice. Does this sound right?

This is probably a stupid question, but does your grandfather's marriage cert identify his father as tailor Bernard/Barnett? Also, where did your gf wed?

Barnett was an Anglicised name used commonly by Eastern European men, whose Hebrew name was Baruch. Bernard (Bernhard) would have been common enough amongst German Jews in the mid to late 19th century.

Justin

[0121mariec]

I think you might find "Mawrice" aboard a ship in 1911.
Sorry can't give dertails because of copywrite rules
Marie