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Re: Esau & Henty Smith of the Black Patch & the Charlie Chaplin mystery
« Reply #18 on: Saturday 03 November 18 13:09 GMT (UK) »
Also put where they were together as in related via marriage etc other families /Heaps/Allen and Holmes and other connected families etc .

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Re: Esau & Henty Smith of the Black Patch & the Charlie Chaplin mystery
« Reply #19 on: Saturday 03 November 18 13:11 GMT (UK) »
People not in houses*
1861*Pontefract, Yorkshire
William Willshaw      abt 1811  Longbillington, Nottinghamshire, Head  Tinner & Brazier        
Lidia Willshaw     abt 1812    Codbrough, Nottinghamshire,     Wife    
Joseph Willshaw    abt 1846    Darrington, Yorkshire   Son
Lidia Willshaw     abt 1848    Lincoln, Lincolnshire    Daughter    
Walter Nelson *   abt 1829    Scotland    Son-in-Law        
Lotis Nelson      abt 1829    Stowe, Lincolnshire,    Daughter    
Henry Nelson     abt 1853    Wakefield, Yorkshire,     Grandson    
George Nelson     abt 1854    Wakefield, Yorkshire,    Grandson    
Harriet Nelson     abt 1856    Carlton, Yorkshire,   Granddaughter    
Mary Nelson     abt 1858    Pontefract, Yorkshire,    Granddaughter    
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William Blewitt    abt 1809 widow   Stamford, Lincolnshire,    Head    tinner & Brazier
Sarah Blewitt    abt 1837 widow   London, Middlesex,   Daughter-in-Law    
Valuza Blewitt     abt 1856    York, Yorkshire, England    Granddaughter    
Enis Blewitt    abt 1860    Hull, Yorkshire, England            
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John Lee     abt 1797    Woodbridge, Suffolk,   Head    
Charlott Lee    abt 1791    Woodbridge, Suffolk,     Wife    
Tenna Lee     abt 1834    Livingston, Norfolk, Daughter    
Mary Boss    abt 1791    Farnham, Suffolk,  Widow     
John Phillips    abt 1832    Thorne, Yorkshire Tinner & Brazier

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Re: Esau & Henty Smith of the Black Patch & the Charlie Chaplin mystery
« Reply #20 on: Saturday 03 November 18 13:13 GMT (UK) »
1861**Town: Pontefract (People sleeping in Tents)
County/Island: Yorkshire
William Willshaw 50 hd Tinner and Brazier
Lidia Willshaw 49 wife
Joseph Willshaw 15 son
Lidia Willshaw 13 dau
Walter Nelson 32 son in law born SCOTLAND **
Lotis Nelson 32 dau
Henry Nelson 8 g son
George Nelson 7 g son
Harriet Nelson 5 g/dau
Mary Nelson 3 g/dau
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Charlott Lee 70 /abt 1791 Woodbridge, Suffolk Wife
John Lee 70/ abt 1797 Woodbridge, Suffolk Head Tinner and Brazier
Tenna Lee 27 /abt 1834 Livingston, Norfolk Daughter
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Mary Boss 70 widow b Farnham, Suffolk
John Philips 29 b Thorne, Yorkshire Tinner & Brazier
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William Blewitt 52 Stamford, Lincolnshire Head Tinner & Brazier
Sarah Blewitt 24 London, Middlesex Daughter-in-law
Enis Blewitt 1 Hull, Yorkshire,
Valuza Blewitt 5 Sarah York Yorkshire Granddaughter
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1871*Parish:Doncaster Ecclesiastical parish:St George *:Yorkshire
Gypsies *Camp in Cherry Lane*
Walter Nelson 45 Hawker(Gypsy)
Lettuce Nelson 43
Henry Nelson 17
Harriet Nelson 13
George Nelson 12
Jemima Nelson 10
David Nelson 8
Alexander Nelson 6
Betsey Nelson 2
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1881*Mexborough, Yorkshire    

Walter Nelson    abt 1826    Durham, Head    besom maker
Clar Nelson    abt 1828    Thurnsby, Yorkshire,     Wife    ?why Clar?   
Alice Nelson    abt 1865    Doncaster, Yorkshire,   
Betsy Nelson    abt 1870    Eastwood, Yorkshire,     
Thomas Nelson    abt 1873    Eastwood, Yorkshire,     Son         
William Nelson    abt 1874    Mexbro, Yorkshire,   Son    
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1881*Parish: Thorne County/Island: Yorkshire
Alexander Nelson 67 Tin Plate worker born Kilroy, Scotland
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1891*Civil Parish: Mexborough
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
County/Island: Yorkshire

Walter Nelson 66 hd b Carington Lam, Durham, besom maker
Lettie 64 wife
Thomas 17b
Wm Nelson 15 coll lab
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George Nelson 29 b Royston, Yorkshire colliery labourer(caravan in Field)
lavina 27
Thomas 10
Lilly 11
Grtrude Nelson 5
Harriett Nelson 3
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John Adams 49 pot hawker
Jane Adams 39
George Adams 20
Robert Adams 18
Jane Adams 15
Joseph Adams 2
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1901*Mexborough St John the Baptist *Yorkshire
George Nelson 45 colliery labourer
Thomas Nelson 17
Gertrude Nelson 15
Harriett Nelson 12
Ephraim Nelson 8
Oscar Nelson 4
George Nelson 1 month
Walter Nelson 80 father bon scotland No occupation

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Re: Esau & Henty Smith of the Black Patch & the Charlie Chaplin mystery
« Reply #21 on: Saturday 03 November 18 13:16 GMT (UK) »
1861*Town:Wath upon Dearne:Yorkshire
James Knight   44 b Chesterfield, Derbyshire Earthenware Dealer
Emma Knight   36 b Portsea Hampshire
Harriet Knight   14
Maria Knight   12 dau b Sheffield
Henry Knight   10
Tom Knight   7
Bill Knight   2
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Josiah Blewitt    1801   In A Lane, Lincolnshire,Head Scissor Grinder   
Sarah Blewitt    1793   Hoyland, Yorkshire   Wife   
Ann Blewitt    1838   Lincolnshire, Daughter
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1851*Ashover, Derbyshire
James Holmes 1804 Ashover, Derbyshire,  Head
Ann Holmes abt 1832 Ashover, Derbyshire,  Daughter
Sarah Holmesabt 1838 Ashover, Derbyshire, Daughter
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William Knight abt 1805 Beeston, Nottinghamshire, England Head
Harriet Knight abt 1806 b Arnold Nottingham
Ann Knight abt 1837 Arnold, Nottinghamshire, England Daughter 
Fanny Knight abt 1840 Wellington, Derbyshire, England Daughter 
Henry Knight abt 1845 Wellington, Derbyshire, England Son Ashover,
Maria Knight abt 1847 Wellington, Derbyshire, England Daughter
This is Fannys bap*
FANNY KNIGHT   Christening: 16/61839  Arnold, Nottingham  Parents: WILLIAM KNIGHT Mother: HARRIET
other baps there include*(Confusing as Arnold down for Harriet and rest Wellington?)
2. JAMES KNIGHT -  Christening: 06 MAY 1827 Arnold, Nottingham
3. JOSEPH KNIGHT Gender: Male Christening: 14 FEB 1813 Arnold, Nottingham
4. MARY ANN KNIGHT Is this Maria?)Gender: Female Christening: 07 JUL 1844 Arnold, Nottingham,
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1861*Think this is her *
George Mann    40       
Ann Mann 34       
Charles Mann    13       
Harriett Mann   10       
John Henry Mann 6       
Fanny Mann    4       
Elizabeth Mann    9 Mo       
Maria Knight 15 boarder b Ashover, Derbyshire


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Re: Esau & Henty Smith of the Black Patch & the Charlie Chaplin mystery
« Reply #22 on: Saturday 03 November 18 13:21 GMT (UK) »
Groom's name:   John Heaps
Bride's name:    Cinementi Boswell
Marriage date:    22 Sep 1828
Marriage place:    All Saints, Derby, Derbyshire,
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Elizabeth Heap-Baptism Date 01 Apr 1801
Baptism Place Snelston, Derbyshire
Mother   Sarah Heap
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Re: Esau & Henty Smith of the Black Patch & the Charlie Chaplin mystery
« Reply #23 on: Saturday 03 November 18 19:33 GMT (UK) »
 How do you do that Sue, how.

I always did love you, you know, in the way i love people, i dont love many people in that way, i am not a bad person, your are alright Sue, sometimes i wish i was already dead, that means your a happy person, i will tell you soon of some sad times when you wished you was alive, it is very strange Sue, you are so underrated, the Gipsies of the future will look back on your writings, your on point, you outsmarted the best of them so-called know alls, now you are a Woman. i will talk again.

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Re: Esau & Henty Smith of the Black Patch & the Charlie Chaplin mystery
« Reply #24 on: Saturday 03 November 18 19:51 GMT (UK) »
Sue

Also why not this place about Chaplin, i charge you to look for Hawthorne Smith, hes a Wilshers to, i know i just gave it away, the Smiths are Great, you told me about at least ten years ago that the people i talk of could of come out of the Smiths, i know you meant well and who knows, there are lots of Hawthorns, Elliott's, Woodward's, i respect the Smiths, i respect you to Sue, sleep well, you will always be remembered. 
 

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Re: Esau & Henty Smith of the Black Patch & the Charlie Chaplin mystery
« Reply #25 on: Saturday 03 November 18 20:55 GMT (UK) »
Dont know about being remembered lol ,You need to write books to be in history lol , you still have away with words:) you must mean this Hawthorn :)
Name:   Hawthorn Smith
Registration Date:   1917
Registration district:   Southwell
Inferred County:   Nottinghamshire
Re-registration Year:   1917
Mother's Maiden Name:Wilsher

A few Hawthorns about :)

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Re: Esau & Henty Smith of the Black Patch & the Charlie Chaplin mystery
« Reply #26 on: Saturday 03 November 18 21:06 GMT (UK) »
  Sue

   I see you found Percy, i will tell you soon of Percy Wiltshire he was a Rouge for sure, he was a legend in his day, for he never gave ground, another unsung who lays dead in his grave, now i soon will speak of his Name............Percy Wiltshire........ the fighting man of Nottingham.