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Offline Tikka62

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Francis Love 1772/Ayr
« on: Thursday 01 March 12 20:02 GMT (UK) »
I believe my 4th great grandfather to be Francis Love born 21 Apr 1772 Stevenston, Ayrshire; died 14 Jul 1860 Stevenson, Ayrshire. He married Agnes Cockburn born 12 Sep 1784 Dundonald, Ayrshire; died 15 Mar 1867 Stevenston, Ayrshire.
His son, my 3rd great grandfather, Robert Love Sr, was born 1816 Glasgow, Lanarkshire; died 1858 Honolulu, Hawaii. Married Margaret Watt born 1816 Lanarkhire; died 1855 Honolulu, Hawaii.
I am looking for more information on Francis Love please. Parents? Siblings? Anything will help!

Thank you!
TariAnn
Scotland - LOVE, MACKINNON
Scotland & England - FLETCHER
Need additional info on: Tempest FLETCHER, born approx 1801 Gloucestershire. Married Jane Masat (sp?), approx 1836. Died approx 1851.

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Re: Francis Love 1772/Ayr
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 01 March 12 22:43 GMT (UK) »
Are you sure you are not 10 years out?

Francis Love b.19/4/1782, bp.21/4/1782 Stevenston, Ayrshire, son of Robert Love and Elizabeth Lockhart

2 siblings:

William John b.23/5/1777, bp.2/6/1777
Robert born and baptised 25/4/1779.

Robert Love and Elizabeth Lockhart married 24/12/1776 Stevenston, Ayrshire.

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Re: Francis Love 1772/Ayr
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 01 March 12 22:45 GMT (UK) »
Hi TariAnn  :)

How have you made the jump to Francis and Agnes for Robert?

There is actually quite a lot on this line. The researchers though seem to have son Robert born 11 June 1808 in Stevenston, Ayrshire and marrying an Elizabeth Raeside. Lots of family trees on the subscription site Ancestry and also from other links such as:

http://genealogy.clanmoffat.org/familygroup.php?familyID=F52210&tree=ClanMoffat
http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/a/n/d/Nancy-L-Andert/WEBSITE-0001/UHP-0599.html

Just adding link to previous post for background www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,560587.0.html

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Re: Francis Love 1772/Ayr
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 04 March 12 01:03 GMT (UK) »
Thanks for the replies, but I believe my dates for Francis are certain. I have them from records of my 3rd great grandfather, James Love.
Scotland - LOVE, MACKINNON
Scotland & England - FLETCHER
Need additional info on: Tempest FLETCHER, born approx 1801 Gloucestershire. Married Jane Masat (sp?), approx 1836. Died approx 1851.


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Re: Francis Love 1772/Ayr
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 04 March 12 01:26 GMT (UK) »
I'm sorry but your 1772 birth year is wrong.   It should be 1782.   I have viewed his death certificate and he died 15th not 14th July.

Francis Love, Handloom Weaver, died 15/7/1860 at 11pm at Townhead Street, Stevenston and his age is exactly written as 78 years, 2 months and 27 days.   1860 minus 78 = 1782!    His parents are shown as Robert Love, Coachman (deceased) and Elizabeth formerly Lockhart (deceased).   The informant of the death was son Robert.   He died from Chronic Cystitis - four months.

So, the baptism details I gave you previously are correct.

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Re: Francis Love 1772/Ayr
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 04 March 12 11:46 GMT (UK) »
Hi Tikka

Thanks for the replies, but I believe my dates for Francis are certain. I have them from records of my 3rd great grandfather, James Love.

Just curious, what is the source that you have now that names this couple as Robert's parents? From your other post, I thought this was speculative? The only source really will likely be if this info (parent's info) was included on Robert's death registration in Hawaii.

Also note that Annette has looked at Francis's death cert in Stevenston in 1860. The informant to Francis' death was his son Robert as indicated by Annette.

By 1860, your Robert Love and family had been in Hawaii from the early 1850s.... www.lovesbakeryhawaii.com/about.html

More importantly, we have your Robert death two years previously in 1858 from here:

... seeking info on Robert Love born Glascow, Scotland died July 11, 1858 Honolulu, HI married Margaret Watt who died June 8, 1855 Honolulu, HI. Children: Robert, James, William
http://genforum.genealogy.com/love/messages/1495.html

The line that looks to have been researched for Robert, the son of Francis Love and Agnes Cockburn has him married to Elizabeth Re(a)side. Their marriage/banns shows on IGI on 1 January 1831 in Stevenston, Ayr.

Some children showing for them, all born in Stevenston include:

1. Elizabeth LOVE b. 1831
2. Francis LOVE b. 1836
3. John LOVE b. 1841

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Re: Francis Love 1772/Ayr
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 04 March 12 15:20 GMT (UK) »
Annette & Monica ....
Yes, it would seem certain I have been given incorrect information, regarding Francis. Some of the (now) obvious information shows I am incorrect that Francis is my line. I need to start again, using the valid info I already have re: James & Robert Sr, along with the info you both have shared with me!!
Very frustrating when I can't find the documents needed and be able to actually see them (death certs, marriage certs, etc).
Need to start over with a clear mind!!    ???

Thanks again!
TariAnn
Scotland - LOVE, MACKINNON
Scotland & England - FLETCHER
Need additional info on: Tempest FLETCHER, born approx 1801 Gloucestershire. Married Jane Masat (sp?), approx 1836. Died approx 1851.