llangwstenin robert jones 1850-1909?

[monyroads]

Robert Jones born Llangwstenin 1850
 pauper? and lodger in 1851 census aged 1  not sure if he was orphaned or abandoned
in llangwstenin in 1861 as a servant /carter aged 11
married in 1870 to Mary Evans in llanasa and now a collier and living in whitford in 1871 

place of birth given as

 llangwstenin caenarvenshire in 1891
as Llangoldennen, Caernarvonshire in 1881
asLlanduauo, Caernarfonshire, Wales in 1871

I think llangwstenin is near llandudno on the border between caernarvonshire and denbighshire

has any one any information about Robert Jones (1850-1909?)
he was my great grandfather, his son john was born in Harwardan in 1875 and was also a collier
the family moved to Prescot Lancashire and in 1891 Robert and his older 3 sons are all listed as coal miners
I am trying to find parents or siblings

[rosie99]

Hi monyroads

Welcome to rootschat 

What information does his marriage certificate give about his father, who are the witnesses ?

Rosie

[Morganllan]

Hi monyroads 

A warm welcome to Rootschat from me too!

Genuki has some information about Llangwstenin:

http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/CAE/Llangwstennin/index.html

Robert could have been born between 1849 and 1850 (as he was 1 on 1851 census, but he could have been 2 later that year). I checked northwalesbmd births and there are a few possibilities:

http://www.northwalesbmd.org.uk/cgi/birthind.cgi

If you decide to order a birth certificate, remember to specify Llangwstenin Parish.

Kindest Regards
Morgan

[monyroads]

thanks thats really helpful

[rosie99]

Hi monyroads

Welcome to rootschat 

What information does his marriage certificate give about his father, who are the witnesses ?
Rosie

[monyroads]

I have sent away for the marriage certificate but still waiting for it to be sent

I live in Scotland but am planning a visit to North Wales in May

I've been used to accessing records for Scottish relatives via Scotlands people is there an equivalent website for Wales ?

I was planning to visit the Clwyd FHS to look up possible birth/baptism records

thanks for your help

[AliKing753]

Hi Moneyroads...turns out he is an ancestor of mine too! I am just begining to find out my ancesetry and came across this!

He is my great great grandad apparently on my mothers side.

I have just the information on his dad, a David Jones and unknown mother. Hopefully more to come so I can keep you updated when I find out more!

I know he had 7 children with Mary Evans:

Moses William Jones
David Jones
John Jones
Catherine Ann Jones
Robert H Jones
Mary Jones and
Sarah Jane Jones

Ali

[monyroads]

Hi Ali
I managed to trace Robert Jones baptism 2nd June 1850 in Llangystennin,Caernarvon,Wales and his mother is Cathrine Roberts of Gwyndy ( she is in the 1841 census for llangystennin aged 10? but wastn't born in that county and was a servant)
the baptism gives David Jones of  Bryngosol as father but it seems he never married cathrine  and i found no trace of her after Roberts birth although David goes on to marry Margaret Parry and emigrate to Australia

I am decended from Roberts son  John Jones (1875-1945) he was my grandfather
keep  in touch

[AliKing753]

Hi,

How interesting, thanks for that! I shall add it to my info.

So your grandfather's sister Sarah Jane Jones (1890-1986) was my great grandma on my mums side! Nice to meet a distant relation through this!

Ali