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Re: Evan & Jane THOMAS
« Reply #9 on: Friday 04 May 12 11:54 BST (UK) »
Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: Evan & Jane THOMAS
« Reply #10 on: Monday 07 May 12 11:28 BST (UK) »
Update...

David and Charlotte's marriage certificate arrived today. Very interesting! It confirms her father's name was John THOMAS (deceased, a master mariner)and address before marriage was William St, Cardigan.

David is listed as a widower. Profession was Grocer and he lived at Albert Square, Aberayron at the time of marriage. Father is listed as John DAVIES (deceased), a farmer. This might make more sense than his father being listed as a miner on the death certificate.
Jenkins, Pyke, Percy, Peck, Thomas, Davies, Hyne

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Re: Evan & Jane THOMAS
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 08 May 12 09:59 BST (UK) »
is is definitely Albert Square on the cert? There's an Alban Square there.
Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: Evan & Jane THOMAS
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 08 May 12 12:25 BST (UK) »
Yes it definitely is spelt "Albert Square" on the marriage certificate. I've had a look today but haven't been able to find him in any of the census data. It's also interesting that it's David's second marriage.

I did find a lot of information about the chapel that they married - Bethania Welsh Baptist Chapel. It looks so beautiful! The certificate states that the minister was Evan THOMAS and witness was William EVANS. I couldn't find out much about Evan THOMAS. I wonder if he might be related to the family?

I also ordered John's death certificate and his and Jane's marriage cert to get their father's names.
Jenkins, Pyke, Percy, Peck, Thomas, Davies, Hyne


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Re: Evan & Jane THOMAS
« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 08 May 12 14:11 BST (UK) »
There's a mention of Albert Square, Aberaeron in volume 5 of the Journal of the Ceredigion Antiquarian Society. I don't have access to the publication, but it's evidence that the spelling was correct in 1868. It may have changed after the 1900's to be known as somthing else, like Alban?

http://www.ceredigionhistoricalsociety.org/ceredigion-index.php?letter=a
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Re: Evan & Jane THOMAS
« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 08 May 12 23:49 BST (UK) »
I'd assumed it was Alban as that was the name of the man who was instrumental in the planning of Aberaeron

http://www.aberaeron.info/history.htm

Evan Thomas isn't uncommon, so I wouldn't assume a relationship. It was my gggrandfather's name, so I've had the joy of searching in Cardiganshire for someone called that.

If the couple were Baptists, you won't find parish baptisms for them. The denomination doesn't practise infant baptism, but Believer's baptism and it would be unusual for names of parents to be mentioned.

http://www.baptist.org.uk/believers-baptism/what-is-baptism.html

I've got Baptists in Pembrokeshire, just across the river from Cardigan.

Welcome to the wonderful world of West Wales non-conformists with common names!

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Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: John & Jane THOMAS
« Reply #15 on: Wednesday 23 May 12 13:48 BST (UK) »
I received the certificates that I orderd from GRO today. It confirmed John died aboard his ship "Glenroy" in the Scilly Islands.

John and Jane's marriage certifcate shed a little more light on but also brought up more questions about the religion of this family  ???

On 10th August 1837 John THOMAS, a mariner married Jane DAVIES, who was (hard to read - looks like seamstrefs) a seamstress. He was living in Bridge-End, father Evan THOMAS was a Master Mariner. Jane was living in (what looks like) Mwldan, father William DAVIES, was a Mariner.

They got married in the Parish Church in Cardigan, which was St. Mary Church (Anglican) by Vica Griffith THOMAS, witnessed by Lavinia M THOMAS & William OWEN.

So, the Welsh Baptist connection might have come through Charlotte's husband's family, rather than hers. I'm wondering if there might be chistening records for John and Jane's children?
Jenkins, Pyke, Percy, Peck, Thomas, Davies, Hyne

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Re: John & Jane THOMAS
« Reply #16 on: Wednesday 23 May 12 15:16 BST (UK) »
don't let the denomination of the marriage deceive you. From the start of civil registration in 1837, marriages could take place in non-conformist churches, but a registrar had to be present. This was the case until the 1890s. As this is very soon after the start of registration, (July 1st),  perhaps they were still thinking in the pre-registration way, when the marriage would have had to be in the parish church.

It will be seamstress. The first s will be a 'long s', can look like f, but it isn't.
http://typefoundry.blogspot.co.uk/2008/01/long-s.html

Bridge End and Mwldan look fine for the addresses. The supports you can see in the photo are against the castle wall.

http://www.cambria.org.uk/HLC/lowerteifivalley/cardigan.htm

Does the cert give their ages? Or is it the less than helpful 'of full age'?
Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: John & Jane THOMAS
« Reply #17 on: Wednesday 23 May 12 20:36 BST (UK) »
Yes only said "of full age". Would their birth records be held in the parish church from this time?  From death records they are 1810 for John and about 1815 for Jane.

Both their fathers worked on ships as mariners.  This might have been how they met.
Jenkins, Pyke, Percy, Peck, Thomas, Davies, Hyne