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Nassy ? Howe, baptism please.
« on: Tuesday 01 May 12 22:04 BST (UK) »

I have been trying to help someone with a far flung branch of my Howe family and this has made me review the information which I have on my tree.

What I had originally recorded as a daughter named Masey, I now see is actually a son who seems on the 1901 census to be called Massey.

Looking at FreeBMD, I find the registration of a child Nassy Frederick Howe, Mar 1893, Tendring 4a/593

The image is of a typed page and it quite clearly says Nassy but it doesn't ring true to me.

Is there anyone who can check baptisms, probably Brightlingsea, for this time to see if there is a child, son of Arthur Frederick Howe and Catherine ( nee Death) whose name could have been mistaken for Nassy?

Arthur Frederick's younger brother was Harry - could this have been what was actually written in the register?

Thanks in anticipation,

Jen
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NRY: Bushby Smith Bland Iley Cunion Kendrew Thornbury Favell Lonsdale Crossland Rudd Pratt Gibson
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Re: Nassy ? Howe, baptism please.
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 01 May 12 23:11 BST (UK) »
1901 census shows his birthplace as Brightling Sussex but no match on freebmd in Sussex.   Family were living in Sussex in 1901

Mother is shown as Clara - not Catherine

Dtr Winifred is shown as b Brightlingsea Essex

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Re: Nassy ? Howe, baptism please.
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 02 May 12 08:08 BST (UK) »
It is clearly written as Massey  on 1901, Nassy on free BMD's but there is no sign of either names after 1901, his middle name os Frederick, perhaps he used that on further certs or census

Have you checked 1911 census for the whole family

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Re: Nassy ? Howe, baptism please.
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 02 May 12 08:35 BST (UK) »
No baptism found in Brightlingsea in 1893.

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Re: Nassy ? Howe, baptism please.
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 02 May 12 09:56 BST (UK) »
Hi

Seax only has baptisms for All Saints Church, however what i've found with many ancestors in Brightlingsea is that from around the mid 1800s a lot of families used the New Jerusalem church, the records which I assume have been deposited with The National Archives.

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Re: Nassy ? Howe, baptism please.
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 02 May 12 10:31 BST (UK) »
I think what has compounded the problem has been the combination of the birth entry name and the name as written on 1901 Census.

I think you are right with the Harry angle.   I think that 'Massey' or 'Nasey' Frederick Howe should actually be Harry Frederick Howe.

Jack Howe (b.12/11/1895) died in Jun.1973 Colchester

A Harry F. Howe bc.1894, d. Dec.1967 Colchester - there is no birth listed for a Harry F Howe and think this is your man.

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Re: Nassy ? Howe, baptism please.
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 02 May 12 10:55 BST (UK) »
That is really good reasoning Annette but strange that a mistake was written up twice in two different ledgers

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Re: Nassy ? Howe, baptism please.
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 02 May 12 11:14 BST (UK) »
1901 census shows his birthplace as Brightling Sussex but no match on freebmd in Sussex.   Family were living in Sussex in 1901

Mother is shown as Clara - not Catherine

Dtr Winifred is shown as b Brightlingsea Essex



I am fairly sure that the 1901 entry is full of errors and can only assume that there was some diabolical handwriting at some point. Arthur Frederick's wife, entered as Clara, was most definitely incorrect unless this was a nickname.

Apart from Fred, b1900, I think all the offspring were actually born in Essex and the enumerator read it as Sussex because that's where they were.

Unfortunately, by 1911, several of them had emigrated to Canada. It's one of Fred's descendants whom I have been helping and this is how I came to look again at the child named Massey/Nassy/Harry.

Although I agree with you about the strangeness of the double error, I think Annette has probably solved this one by finding the death records for Jack and Harry F but now I wonder whether these two didn't go with their parents to Canada. Will trawl through 1911 again....

Many thanks,

Jen
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SCT: Howe Shaw Raitt Milne Forsyth Birnie Crichton Duncan McBeath Daniel Hay Robertson Jaffrey Smith McDonald Alexander Craighead
NRY: Bushby Smith Bland Iley Cunion Kendrew Thornbury Favell Lonsdale Crossland Rudd Pratt Gibson
WES; Dickenson Jackson Ewbank Waller
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SRY: Knight
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Re: Nassy ? Howe, baptism please.
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 02 May 12 23:57 BST (UK) »
Hi,

New Jerusalem baptism registers 1813 to 1837 are deposited at the National Archives, like some other Non Com registers. 

I would think common sense would have registers of Essex chapels with the ERO, or failing that copies  :o

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