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Re: can someone please help with William Douglas born abt 1862
« Reply #27 on: Tuesday 26 June 12 19:43 BST (UK) »
That is a pity isn't it (even though birth year out a little bit from c. 1800 to 1805.

How did you discount this John, son of John and Janet (McMurdo)?

Lost again aren't we on John Snr.  :-\

Added: This looks to be the family www.douglashistory.co.uk/history/johndouglas18.htm and can see a John and wife Jane Carruthers I think in the censuses. Pity!
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Re: can someone please help with William Douglas born abt 1862
« Reply #28 on: Tuesday 26 June 12 20:00 BST (UK) »
Hi Monica this is a wild shot I know but I looked up Mouswald on genuki and it says whatever and then the hamlets could this have been mispelt do you think and rewritten as closeburn here it is
"CLEUGHBRAE, a hamlet in the parish of Mouswald, in the county of Dumfries, Scotland."
I am sorry to send so much stuff clutching at straws lol thanks to you bye Jennifer

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Re: can someone please help with William Douglas born abt 1862
« Reply #29 on: Tuesday 26 June 12 20:14 BST (UK) »
Always hard to say isn't it without actually following the trail. I do think though that mention of Closeburn for your John Snr. does indicate Closeburn. Apart from a/try's transcription, in 1851 he also shows as born in Closeburn on these transcript www.dgcommunity.net/historicalindexes/census.aspx - this one is done by volunteers with in most cases local knowledge so I would say in the main really accurate (unlike a/try's transcriptions sometimes  ::)).

From another source, a possible 1851 for the John from Mouswald www.maxwellancestry.com/census/51transcript.aspx?houseid=84402008

Too many John Douglasses wondering around at the same time/areas!

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Re: can someone please help with William Douglas born abt 1862
« Reply #30 on: Tuesday 26 June 12 22:49 BST (UK) »
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Re: can someone please help with William Douglas born abt 1862
« Reply #31 on: Wednesday 27 June 12 06:57 BST (UK) »
Hi Monica after printing out the birth entry for John Douglas born 1805 I started as usual at a gallop to enter him as my John without waiting for your answer as I was doing it I decided to check my tree as it is a while since I went through the Douglas's he is allready there I will explain as best I can I have the
 John Douglas born in glencairn married to Jane Carruthers born 1807 lochmarben
 Susan Douglas who I have as the glencairn John's Daughter born 1841 in Irongrey 
she married Thomas King born 1837 in torthorwald
he is the brother to Jannet  King born 1828 in torthorwald died 1888 Farlam she is my direct ancestor she Married
 William Douglas born 1834 in Keirs died 1916 in Farlam


these are the childrnI have for John Douglas glencairn

Jennifer's Family Tree and Branches

John Douglas Birth 5 Aug 1805, chr. 14 Aug 1805, in Glencairn, Dumfriesshire, Scotland

1851: aged 46, living in Irongray, Kirkcudbrightshire, Scotland
1861: aged 56, living in Irongray, Kirkcudbrightshire, Scotland
1871: aged 66, living in Irongray, Kirkcudbrightshire, Scotland
1881: aged 76, living in  Troqueer, Kirkcudbrightshire, Scotland
   
Parents John Douglas 1772 – ? and Janet McMurdo 1776 – ?
Spouse & Children

Jane Carruthers 1807 –

    Jane Douglas 1828 –
    Janet Douglas 1832 –
    Elizabeth Douglas 1833 –
    John Douglass 1833 –
    Robert Douglas 1836 –
    William Douglass 1838 –
    Susan Douglas 1841 –
    Thomas Douglass 1842 –
    Mary Douglas 1843 –

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Re: can someone please help with William Douglas born abt 1862
« Reply #32 on: Wednesday 27 June 12 07:11 BST (UK) »
Hi Monica
also thanks for the links especially the Douglas Family tree the 1851 census link I put in his details and the search said no results
 I am not very tech minded that is why I copy and paste everything I hope it is legal
I have looked at the maxwell site and bought a copy ogf there 1726/1724 closeburn parish rejister and a buuleugh street u.p.baptisms 1846-1856 I will have a look at the 1851 census they have
of course I entered all the Nivisons I could find to my tree and some Douglas's in hopes they will tie in some day
 I am sorry if this is confusing many thanks again for taking time for me bye Jennifer

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Re: can someone please help with William Douglas born abt 1862
« Reply #33 on: Thursday 28 June 12 09:00 BST (UK) »
Hi Monica I looked in the Deaths on Scotlands people in Kier and found a death for a John Douglas died  27 January 1837 in what looks like Thornhill no age could this be the Father of my elusive John Douglas also looking back at the 1841 census for John and Charlotte in rhoniston keir they  have an older Lady staying with them after finding out it was lawfull for people to set up house together as man and wife then do you think it could be his Mother her name is Mary Richardson she was born in 1771 in Dumfrieshire is it  plausible
 there is also a 15 year old girl in the census called Mary Kirkpatrick

John Douglas 35
Charlotte Douglas 30
John Douglas 8
William Douglas 5
Jannet Douglas 1
Mary Richardson 70
Mary Kirkpatrick 15

Address: Roniston, Keir, Dumfriesshire

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Re: can someone please help with William Douglas born abt 1862
« Reply #34 on: Friday 29 June 12 13:00 BST (UK) »
To be honest, Jennifer, at this stage anything is possible! The problem will be getting the confirmation.

There are a real lack of records for the Douglas and Nivison families aren't there  :-\ Makes it hard to confirm with certainty the births/christenings and also parents names for either John Snr or Charlotte at this stage.

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Re: can someone please help with William Douglas born abt 1862
« Reply #35 on: Saturday 30 June 12 15:43 BST (UK) »
Hi Monica I think I will give it a break and come back to it I cant figure out why there are so few record can you maybe explain it  many thanks for your help regards Jennifer