Census 1901/1911 - Missing townlands or Streets

[Jon_ni]

Part of Avenue Road, Lurgan on the 1901 census.
The Household Returns for #25 to #75 are missing (no names or images) on the the NAI site even by web address change. The house number [enumerator number] jump from #24 to #76 is clear on http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Armagh/Lurgan_Urban/Avenue_Road/

The Heads of households, age, religion, occupation & count of family members for this gap can be seen on http://www.lurganancestry.com/1901avenuerd.htm
Missing families can also be seen listed in the House and Building return Form B1 by opening them from any of the people that do appear eg. 50 to 64 are here http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai000397125/ and the number of males & females on Enumerator's Form 'N'.

[tomoforegon]

Also missing from the online 1901 Census is the DED Jerpoint West which included the townlands of Ballymackillogill, Ballymartin, Coolnahaw, Darbystown, Garrandarragh, Mullinakill, and Smithstown.

Also I don't think they were ever microfilmed, although the census returns do exist as I consulted them in the original at the National Archives in Dublin in 2003.

[Kiltaglassan]

Welcome to RootsChat, tomoforegon 

Just to point out that the DED of Jerpoint West is in Co Kilkenny.

https://www.townlands.ie/kilkenny/jerpoint-west1/

[Jon_ni]

Further to my Reply #54 I dropped a quick message to NAI on 17th Feb using the Contact Us at the top of their home page https://www.nationalarchives.ie/visit-us/contact-us/ and selected Geneology Website from the drop down options.

Subject: missing 1901 household returns for part of Avenue Road, Lurgan
Genealogy website

The 1901 census Household Returns for #25 to #75 Avenue Road, Lurgan, Co. Armagh are missing (no transcript or images) on the NAI site. The house number [enumerator number] jump from #24 to #76 is clear on http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Armagh/Lurgan_Urban/Avenue_Road/
Missing families can be seen listed in the House and Building return Form B1 by opening them from any of the people that do appear eg. 50 to 64 are here http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai000397125/ and the number of males & females on Enumerator's Form 'N'.

I am intested in John Weatherall & family at #56 and knowing if the original pages are missing entirely, or just escaped microfilming by the LDS, and therefore digitisation.
Thanks, John

Tonight I received the following email which I am very pleased with considering they have ordered up the ledgers from storage and photographed the pages, attaching 5 images, I guess I was hoping for that but wasn't sure whether they would suggest having to consult personally. Two of the children were born N.S. Wales. In my case only the Household form 'A' was missing & I now have that plus the reverse side address and 'B' & 'N' in colour. The online form response said they would endeavour to respond as soon as possible and certainly between 10-15 working days.

The pages appear quite tightly bound now and on the 'B1' and 'N' forms one can just see the left page is upside down in relation to the right. On the microfilms they were secured top left corner but I had not appreciated that sequential page sides were upside down. They would read correctly if bound on the long top edge and turning, but not on the short left. Either way it would have been a right faff to microfilm/photograph the entire ledgers as have to move camera or ledger continually - or turn the book round as they are now. In fact I now note that the back of Enumerator's abstract (Form N) were not copied for the street, there are only fronts with 1-11, no backs with 12-27.
see http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai000397126/
and http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai000397120/

Thank you for your email to the National Archives. I apologise for the delay, we have received a large volume of correspondence and are trying to get back to everyone as quickly as possible.

We are aware that there can be inaccuracies in our online sources. When the microfilms were being digitised some may have been missed or when the original forms were first being copied onto microfilm pages could have been missed.

As it is not available online, I ordered over the original census and found the returns you were looking for. Please find attached a copy of the Enumerator Form, Form A, Form B1 and B2 relating to the Weatherall family.

At present, the resources required are not available to fix this straight away and so we will log the error in anticipation of a future project. Please rest assured we sincerely hope to improve the resource in future.
I hope this is of some help. If you have any further questions, please don’t hesitate to get in touch.

Archivist/Public Services
An Chartlann Náisiúnta/National Archives

[Purpeller]

1901 Baldoyle is missing. Sigh.
But familysearch has images of it.

https://www.familysearch.org/records/images/image-details?page=1&place=3403930&endDate=1901&startDate=1901&rmsId=TH-267-12387-198086-35&imageIndex=634&singleView=true

[Jon_ni]

Perhaps worth commenting that 23 June 2023 FindMyPast bolstered their 1911 Irish Census, adding 5,483 individuals, skipped during the original transcription process, to their database.

https://www.irishgenealogynews.com/2023/06/todays-findmypast-friday-upload-is.html

Claire checks out Glendalough DED, one of the areas reported by John Grenham as imaged online but completely untranscribed by NAI, so 'No Results' there on a search, and shows a screen snip of the 249 results on FindMyPast, each linked to their corresponding original images.

Note: the 1911 is Free to search on Findmypast [all the Irish censuses 1821-1911 are]
https://search.findmypast.co.uk/search-world-records/ireland-census-1911
https://search.findmypast.ie/search-world-records/ireland-census-1911

[AngelFish]

Paper records that were never microfilmed:

1901

Kilkenny, Freshford, Bawniska 


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Total 5 inhabited houses, total of 28 people:
 
House - Name of the Head of each family - Name of the Landholder if different from the head
1 - John RYANHART
2 - Matthew KEOGH - Agnes SHEA
3 - Catherine GRACE
4 - John KEOGH
5 - Thomas GRIFFITH

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Household 1:
RYANHART John, head, Catholic, read and write, 63, farmer, married, born Freshford

Kate, wife, 39, F, married
Mary, daughter, 16, F, not married, scholar
Bridget, daughter, 14, not married, scholar
John, son , 12, scholar
Wm, son, 9, scholar
Hanora, daughter, 6, scholar
All were Catholic, all read and write, all born Freshford.

Information from the National Archives. Transcription is my own, may contain errors.
I don't have information for the other households.

[Sinann]

Thank you so much Purpeller.

Found Carnalway DED Kildare on Family Search
https://www.rootschat.com/links/01spc/

Brackets mine.
Film 004105087
Beginning at image 291
Townlands
291 Coughlanstown West
324 Brannoxtown
330 Cramersvalley (empty)
334 Knockatippan
341 Sallymount Demesne
349 Brownstown
360 Carnalway
381 Delemaine
385 Dunstown
394 Harristown
422 Harristown Common
438 Johnstown or Dunshane
447 Kilcullen Bridge (see also 479)
453 Logstown
458 Mulloghboy
464 Sillothill
470 Walterstown
479 Kilcullen Bridge (part of Kilcullen town)
534 Brannoxtown (empty)
538 Rochestown
542 Flemingtown North
546 Flemingtown South
552 Mullacash Middle
556 Mullacash North
565 Mullacash South (the one I wanted, yipee)
584 Mylerstown
593 Oldtown

[msmahon]

Hi all,

I'm looking for census records for a townland called Silliothill, just outside Kildare Town. It appears in Griffith Valuation, and again in 1911, but it's missing entirely from 1901.

I know the townland is often confused with another Silliothill near Kilcullen. And to really complicate matters, my Silliothill is part of Moone parish, even though its not near Moone at all! I suspect some clerical falling-out in medieval times may have been at play!

If anyone has any insights on this Silliothill (near Kildare town) from 1901 census, I would be very grateful 🙏

Sinéad