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Re: Census 1901/1911 - Missing townlands or Streets
« Reply #9 on: Monday 11 June 12 19:32 BST (UK) »
Do you know where Avondale Rd., Ranelagh was, or is ?

It seems to disappear sometime during the 1920s..


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Re: Census 1901/1911 - Missing townlands or Streets
« Reply #10 on: Monday 11 June 12 19:41 BST (UK) »
In 1901 Avondale Villas is listed as part of Dunville Ave., just two houses shown in Thom's 1899 - and the occupants correspond to those on the 1901 returns at sites 452 & 453


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Re: Census 1901/1911 - Missing townlands or Streets
« Reply #11 on: Monday 11 June 12 22:26 BST (UK) »
I'm afraid I don't know where Avondale Road might have been.  Does Thom's not give any clues,e.g. through adjacent streets? Is it possible the name changed at some point?  As an example, Oakley Road in Ranelagh was originally named Cullenswood Avenue.

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Re: Census 1901/1911 - Missing townlands or Streets
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 01 August 13 15:48 BST (UK) »
Just bumping this up.

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Avondale
« Reply #13 on: Saturday 19 October 13 22:19 BST (UK) »
Hi Shane

Avondale Villas is marked on the 25"-to-the-mile historic OSi maps here.  It seems to refer to what is now the row of shops starting at Morton's Supermarket on the corner of Moyne Road.

I'm sure I've seen the name Avondale somewhere in the neighbourhood on a near daily basis for most of my life - could it be on the gate piers of the group of houses on the opposite side of Dunville Avenue, just opposite Beechwood Luas stop?  The Google Streetview image isn't clear enough to read the name, but I'll check next time I'm passing.

I arrived at this thread looking for the 1901 census returns for Belgrave Square, Rathmines which is nearby (not to be confused with Belgrave Square in Monkstown).  At least I know now why I can't find it online.  I'm following up this marriage notice:
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Irish Independent 1905-2001*
Thursday, September 19, 1912
Page: 1
O'HALLORAN and CULLIGAN - September 11,
1912, at the Church of Our Lady of Victories,
High street, Kensington, London, S.W., by the
Rev. Canon Fanning, Patrick Francis, son of
P. J. O'Halloran, Mount Allen, Co. Clare, to
Mary (Cisy) [sic], daughter of the late Michael
Culligan, 1 Belgrave square, Rathmines.

Not only is P J O'Halloran's wife's family probably missing from the online 1901 census, but his first cousin once removed Maria O'Halloran is missing from the online 1911 census.  Here's my account of that problem, written and reported to the National Archives a couple of years ago:

In the 1911 census, the Osburne family who ran Lindville Private Lunatic Asylum were enumerated in the townland of Ballintemple, D.E.D. of Blackrock, co. Cork.  There were 175 houses in the townland, but none looks like an Asylum on the basis of the list of surnames at
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Cork/Blackrock/Ballintemple/
However, page 11 of the House and Building Return (From B1) at
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai001894527/
shows clearly that building 175 was Lindville Private Lunatic Asylum, with 45 windows in Front of House, head of family (matron) Marian Mackenzie, and 72 persons in the family.  Only 22 people (matron and 21 servants) appear on the transcript at
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Cork/Blackrock/Ballintemple/400968/
The household return extends to four pages:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai001894864/
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai001894865/
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai001894866/
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai001894867/
It includes only the 22 people in the transcript.
The enumerators abstract at
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai001894515/
confirms that there were 72 people in household no. 175, and 880 people in the whole townland of Ballintemple.
Searching the database for townland=Ballintemple, DED=Blackrock, County=Cork gives 1146 hits.
Searching the database for townland="Ballintemple town", DED=Blackrock, County=Cork gives 316 hits.
So there are clearly 1146-316=830 people in the transcript for Ballintemple out of the 880 reported by the enumerator.
i.e. the 50 lunatics in Lindville have not been transcribed.
Does the original form on which the lunatics were returned survive?  Has it been microfilmed?  Has it been digitised?

It might also be an idea to start a thread for missing Will Calendars ... the 1859 M-Z entries and entire 1860 A-Z Calendars of Wills are missing from microfilms and website.

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Dungarvan
« Reply #15 on: Saturday 19 October 13 22:48 BST (UK) »
I know parts of Dungarvan are also missing, but cannot find the details at the moment.

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Re: Census 1901/1911 - Missing townlands or Streets
« Reply #16 on: Sunday 20 October 13 23:14 BST (UK) »
County Galway
1911 Census Townland of Keelogue East DED Toberoe Glenamaddy PLU -42 households . Archives said these were never filmed and ordered the original for me - so got to see them and took copies of House and Building returns - Wonder if I should post these somewhere?
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Re: Census 1901/1911 - Missing townlands or Streets
« Reply #17 on: Wednesday 07 January 15 22:45 GMT (UK) »
In Shanew's second message in this thread, the missing Rathmines streets are shown under 1911 instead of 1901 (as confirmed by dermo in a later post).  Should that message be edited to avoid confusion?