Help with this famly please

[Washy]

Hi  I'm looking for help with this family please.
1861 census
2 11 Court Jenkinson St Everton
HOLME Joseph Head M M 39 1822  Cotton Porter Westmorland - Levens 
HOLME Ellen Wife M F 38 1823 Cheshire - Ness
HOLME Leah Dau - F 12 1849 Scholar Derbyshire - Hayfield   
HOLME Ellen Dau - F 6 1855 Lancashire - West Derby
HOLME Nicholas Son - M 3 1858 Lancashire - Liverpool
HOLME James Son - F 1 1860 Lancashire - Liverpool

I found HOLME, Leah 1849 2 F Kendal Westmorland on 1851 census would like info please &


Have Nicholas on 1881 census
Small Brook Lowton
Nicholas Holme 23 1858 Liverpool Coal Miner
Elizith Home 22 1859 Golborne
Joseph Hy Holme 1 1880 Lowton Would love 1891 census.
Also if possible help with marriage of Joseph & Ellen & 1841 census.
Thankyou

[crisane]

The only one I can find in Westmorland
1841
HO107 piece 1162 book 20 folio 10 page 15     
Morland Westmorland
Joseph Holmes 50   Westmorland   
Ann  50   Westmorland   
Joseph  17   Westmorland 

[crisane]

1851 HO1072442/486/24
Kendal Westmorland
William Holme 68  Ag Lab White Land Lancashire   
Elizabeth wife  69  Levens, Westmorland   
Henry Holme grandson   9  scholar Levens, Westmorland   
William Holme grandson 7  scholar Levens   
Leah Holmes granddaughter 2  Levens 

It's late and I am confusing myself with this lot.
I am leaving the 1841 as is. 

These children need to be followed through the censuses to see who they belong to because your Leah was born Derbyshire not Westmorland.
 

[crisane]

1841 HO107 piece 1159 book 14 folio 14 page 2
Kendal westmorland
William Holme 60 Born in County No
Elizabeth Holme 60 Yes
James Holme 25 Yes
Mary Holme 20 yes
Joseph Holme 15 Yes
 
 
 

[crisane]

There is a tree on ancestry which has this marriage for Joseph and Ellen but only FreeBMD as a source.

Marriages Jun 1/4 1844
Joseph Holmes   and Ellen Taylor    Derby  vol 19 page 435   

One of the children's birth certs will give the mother's maiden name.

It also has his parents as William Holme and Elizabeth Titley but then shows the 1841 census with Joseph and Ann!!

There are no sources shown for Elizabeth Titley

[crisane]

1861 RG 9/2710/62/29
1 no 11 Court Jenkinson Street
Everton lancashire
Joseph Holme 39 cotton porter Levens
Ellen Holme 38 Ness Cheshire
Leah Holme 12 Hayfield Derbyshire
Ellen Holme 6 West Derby
Nicholas Holme 3 Liverpool
James Holme 1 Liverpool

So this would explain a marriage in Derbyshire
 
 

[Washy]

Thankyou Crisane
Brilliant!

[crisane]

Thankyou Crisane
Brilliant!

Hi washy
not so brilliant cos I am still not sure of Joseph's parentage

[Washy]

I think you have it right unusual name & grandparents may have got it wrong with her place of birth
Any idea where White land Lancs is