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trouble identifying family even with marriage certificate.
« on: Friday 20 July 12 12:51 BST (UK) »
I am really stuck again!I obtained a marriage certificate for my great great great grandfather who was John Bailey born 1829 in Ash,Shropshire.On the marriage certificate it says his father is John Bailey(it could only happen to me) and that he is a tailor now deceased.John himself is 24 and resident of Ashfields,Ash Magna,Whitchurch,Shropshire at the time of marriage which is the 18th July 1853.They were married at the Independant Baptist Chapel in Whitchurch,Shropshire.His wife is Ann Hough-father George-Labourer and I have found this side of the family no problem.The witnesses are George Edge?? and Emma Povah.I know who Emma is also.Any ideas where I could go next with the Bailey side of the family-I cant find any link and I have been trying for ages.I wouild be grateful for any help or ideas??Thank you again.

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Re: trouble identifying family even with marriage certificate.
« Reply #1 on: Friday 20 July 12 15:08 BST (UK) »
Not sure exactly what the problem is. I'm assuming you can't find his baptism? But if that is the case, you don't mention where you have looked. As he was married in a non conformist chapel, it is quite possible that he was baptised in a non conformist chapel. There are some nc registers on the genealogist website.

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« Reply #2 on: Friday 20 July 12 15:27 BST (UK) »
I would like to follow his family back if possible and try and find out if he had any brothers or sisters.I know its a tall order going further back but other than the marriage certificate I know nothing of his siblings,parents or relatives.It would have just been nice to have known thats all.Thank you.


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Re: trouble identifying family even with marriage certificate.
« Reply #3 on: Friday 20 July 12 15:38 BST (UK) »
Looking at the 1841 census
There is a John Bailey age 11 living with parents John and Emma Bailey at a place: Futtred Hill, Dawley, Magna, Malins Lee. Shropshire
Theres a John Bailey age 13 living with parents John and Ann at Cold Hatton, Ercall, Magna. Shropshire
These are the only 2 living with a father John Bailey.
I dont know the Shropshire area, could either of these places be Ash?
as Both of these addresses contain Magna are the close?
Parrish/Parish: Birmingham, Staffordshire, Shropshire.
Connections: Salt,  Gould,  Neath, Malpas(s), Cox, Jones, Pargeter,  Grainger, Greenaway, Bannister, Car(e)less, Broome, Dawes, Meese, Aga, Howard

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Re: trouble identifying family even with marriage certificate.
« Reply #4 on: Friday 20 July 12 15:47 BST (UK) »
Probably this fellow:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NYGY-5ZN

Ash is right next to the place. Get hold of the original and I'd imagine the residence will be in Ash.
Passant, Worthen
Breese, Llanbrynmair

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« Reply #5 on: Friday 20 July 12 15:53 BST (UK) »
Thank you for that.I will look at that.They were married by a William Bonterns a baptist minister but that came up with nothing either.Not doing very well am I?

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« Reply #6 on: Friday 20 July 12 15:59 BST (UK) »
in 61, John and Ann are living The Village, Ash Parva, Ann's mother is staying with them Sarah Gough, children George and Eliza.
In 71, they are at Parva Ash, Ash House. Children George born 54 Sarah 63 and Arthur 70.
By 1901 Eliza is now Eliza Welch and Arthur is living in her household.
I was hoping going through census might help provide a clue
ie: Sarah Gough living with them in 61, if only that had been Johns mother!!
The only possible clue is that John and Ann in 41 have a daughter Eliza, ie Johns sister...Did they name their Daughter after her??
Parrish/Parish: Birmingham, Staffordshire, Shropshire.
Connections: Salt,  Gould,  Neath, Malpas(s), Cox, Jones, Pargeter,  Grainger, Greenaway, Bannister, Car(e)less, Broome, Dawes, Meese, Aga, Howard

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« Reply #7 on: Friday 20 July 12 16:08 BST (UK) »
Yes they had lots of children,many of them died unfortunately but George,Eliza-my great great grandmother,Sarah and Arthur survived.Eliza led a very colourful life as did her second husband.You could make a story out of her!!

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Re: trouble identifying family even with marriage certificate.
« Reply #8 on: Friday 20 July 12 16:18 BST (UK) »
Cant find John snr, Ann or John jr in 51??
Parrish/Parish: Birmingham, Staffordshire, Shropshire.
Connections: Salt,  Gould,  Neath, Malpas(s), Cox, Jones, Pargeter,  Grainger, Greenaway, Bannister, Car(e)less, Broome, Dawes, Meese, Aga, Howard