Mannion of Cloonkeen, Castlerea

[myluck!]

My granddad was John Joseph MANNION of Clookeen
I have found the births of his siblings but would love more information

His parents were Andrew MANNION 1838-1894 & Brigid McDERMOTT ?- before 1894
They married Feb 21 1870

Their children that I have found so far are:
 1: James 1871-1894
 2: Mary Anne 1872-? most likely before 1879*
 3: Honor 1874-?
 4: Patrick 1875-1894
 5: Michael 1877- between 1901-1911
 6: Mary Anne *(2) 1879- after 1901
 7: John Joseph 1881-1871
 8: Eleanor 1882-?
 9: Andrew 1885-1915
10: Brigid 1886-? Sometime in the 1950s or 60s in UK; she became a nurse

Family in 1901 at family farm
Grandad with his youngest sister in 1911
His brother Andrew is listed in Manchester in 1911
Michael married Honor (Nora) O'DONNELL Apr 18 1903; they has a son James in 1904 who died unmarried in Lousiburg Co. Mayo
Norah Mannion in 1911 and their son James in 1911
I cannot find a death for Michael anywhere; I had been told he disappeared in Loughglynn Woods after being followed in there by the Black & Tans but his wife describes herself as a widow in 1911 which does not add up.

I would love any help or information on the family
Grandad's father Andrew and his brothers James and Patrick died with three week in May/June 1894 when he was 13; his father was already a widower which left him with at least his siblings Michael then 17, Mary Anne 15 and Brigid 8
Possibly Honor and Eleanor who do not appear on the 1901 census had also died, maybe they married or emigrated but I cannot find them any where; but I can understand why Grandad never spoke of his family of whom at least eight had died more than 50 years before himself.

[CaroleW]

Hi

Is this the same family as described in your other post

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,608440.0/topicseen.html

[Lisacul Rosie]

Hello MyLuck,

Not sure if I am on the right track , but could your Mannion been transcribed incorrectly as Manning on Irish registers. The LDS site using Manning as the search criteria and the parents christian names return virtually all the siblings you have with precise birth/baptismal dates (Irish Births and Baptisms 1620-1881).
There does not appear to be a Manning on the Griff Valuation for Cloonkeen so poss transcription error.

In addition Andrew born 1838 unlikely to be on Griff Valuation at 18 possibly still living with parents. There are two Mannions on the Griff Valuation for Cloonkeen abt 1856 either could be father or brother combos.

http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml?action=doNameSearch&PlaceID=1126528&county=Roscommon&barony=Castlereagh&parish=Kilkeevin&townland=%3Cb%3ECloonkeen%3C/b%3E

Might be worth playing about with variations of spelling to see what turns up for the missing details to your query.I note this is a continuation of your post 20 June 2010.

Good Luck

[myluck!]

CaroleW
Yes same family Hoped not to confuse issues with names in general posting
I have come across issues previously where the lack of registration for the deaths of women was explained by inheritance law, if they had nothing to leave they did not require death certs!

Padraig3
Sorry I probably should have mentioned they were all registered as Manning on their baptisms but Mannion/Manion on Civil registers. Have also found Manyon in my searches for family

I have used most search engines and followed most lead but to date cannot find anything for the women
As stated previously presumably Mary Anne born 1872 died before 1879 for there to be another Mary Anne in that year. She was shown in 1901 but there seem to be no death, marriage or emigratiun after that.
There is nothing at all for Honor and Eleanor other than births
According to my mother Brigid went to the England became a nurse and retired as  a matron. She died in England and an Aunt of mine visited her grave in the 1970s but unfortunately she is now dead. My mum remembers photographes of her grave but her family have sold the family home and don't seem to have any old photos that match

More interesting my elderly aunt (90s) believed she only had one aunt (the nurse) until I uncovered all the others which leads me to believe that my grandfather just never discussed his early life. Presumably if his sisters had lived he would have kept in touc in some way or them with him. But to date I am stumped to find out more

Thank you for the interest

[heywood]

Hello,

Family Search has some deaths which may fit but ages are out a bit - which can happen.

For example, Bridget 55 yrs in 1888; Honor 11 yrs in 1888.

Have  you checked any possible deaths?

regards
heywood

[myluck!]

Thanks Heywood
I have the cert for that Bridget which is not correct
I must have missed the Honor but I will order that

[gaffy]

The Western Times (Devon) in January 1917 reports the death of John Mannion from Castlereagh, Roscommon at the ripe age of, wait for it, 105.

I wonder if he's connected to your Mannions?

[myluck!]

He could well be an uncle of my great grandfather Andrew
Andrew was born 1838 and I have found 5 siblings up to 1850 so I'd rule out a brother

There are a few families with the name around the area so he equally may be unrelated.

I'd like to think he was related and I have some of those genes!

[ambyrne1]

There is a book in the U.K National Archives that lists the names of all nurses back in those times. You might see if someone can do a look up for you in Kew.

"General Nursing Council for England and Wales: Registration: The Register of Nurses"

It covers dates from 1921-1973 for nurses in the U.K.

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/displaycataloguedetails.asp?CATLN=3&CATID=4906&SearchInit=4&CATREF=DT+10&j=1