1891 lookup request - Gurman

[lilirose03]

Please could I request 1891 census lookup for George Gurman born abt 1881 South Stoneham/Botley Hampshire, father's name on wedding cert is also George Gurman, labourer. Many thanks.

I've also been looking on 1881 census with no luck for George Gurman (the father, as son possibly not born yet)

[groom]

Hi

1891 Piece: 939 Folio: 39 Page: 20 
Horton Heath, Bishopstoke, Stroud Wood Fair Oak Horton Heath


Selina Gurman    Head Widow 48 b  South Stoneham, Hampshire       
William Gurman son 16 Agricultural Labourer   b South Stoneham, Hampshire       
Alfred Gurman   Son   13 b Agricultural Labourer b South Stoneham, Hampshire       
George Gurman Son    10  Scholar  b South Stoneham, Hampshire       
Fred Gurman Son 3   b South Stoneham, Hampshire       
 ?   Pierce Boarder   6 Scholar b South Stoneham, Hampshire       
George French   Boarder Single 49 Sawyer b Botley, Hampshire

[lilirose03]

oh my gosh! Thank you for that groom. How very interesting, so George Snr is deceased but the youngest son is only 3 years old and a quick look at freebmd shows no George Gurman death listed anywhere near that timeframe.... ho-hum!

[groom]

1881 is interesting, George's father may have died before he was born, but there is a younger son, Fred in 1891.  

Piece: 1218 Folio: 91 Page: 21  
Long Common, South Stoneham

Selina Gurman   Widow Head 33 Laundress  b South Stoneham, Hampshire   
Elizabeth Gurman  daughter 14 Domestic Servant b  South Stoneham, Hampshire   
Frances Gurman  Daughter 10    Scholar b South Stoneham, Hampshire   
William Gurman  Son 6 Scholar b  South Stoneham, Hampshire       
Alfred Gurman   Son   3 Scholar  b South Stoneham, Hampshire       
George French    Lodger 41 Sawyer  b  Botley, Hampshire   
Thomas French    Lodger 34 Sawyer b Botley, Hampshire

[lilirose03]

I just had another look on free bmd and there's no marriage for a George Gurman and Selina, but there is a Selina marrying a Noah Gurman in South Stoneham in 1866

[groom]

There are a couple of deaths for a George Gurman in South Stoneham - one in 1862 and one in 1910 ( a 56 year old) None that I can see for a Noah.

[lilirose03]

it's very strange, she's claiming to be a widow in 1881 but continuing to have children... George is a very lively ghost!

[groom]

Even stranger 1871 Piece: 1197 Folio: 79 Page: 21    
Long Common Beer Shop Delivered In Botley Parish, South Stoneham


Joseph King Head widower  76 Beer retailer and hoop maker    b Hampshire       
Joseph King Son unmarried 41 Farm labourer b Hampshire       
Selina Gurman   Daughter-In-Law  married 25  House keeper b Hampshire       
Mary Elizabeth Gurman Daughter 4    b Hampshire       
Francis Celina Gurman Daughter 5 mths    b Hampshire

I wonder if daughter in law is really step daughter, I've seen that before, but where is her husband?

[groom]

In 1871 there is a George Gurman, a groom, born 1852 Botley working as a servant at  Bartley Beechwood House, Eling, New Forest Hampshire. However this would make him too young to be Mary's father.