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Re: Brick Wall
« Reply #27 on: Monday 20 August 12 04:57 BST (UK) »
Well Gwennap and Redruth where the other Brays come from are 4 kilometers from one another, the families could be connected distantly.

It could not be the same John from St Blazey thats to blazes away. ;D But is it the same family ???

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Re: Brick Wall
« Reply #28 on: Monday 20 August 12 05:06 BST (UK) »
New South Wales Electoral Roll 1903
BRAY Elizabeth Nymagee  Domestic duties
BRAY John  Nymagee  Labourer

They are the only BRAY's enrolled to vote at Nymagee.

Effie's husband to be..

McGUINESS William  Nymagee   Carrier

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Re: Brick Wall
« Reply #29 on: Monday 20 August 12 05:14 BST (UK) »
There's this website which is also trying to untangle the John Bray's in NSW
http://users.cyberone.com.au/nevmoya/bray%20families2-o/p110.htm


In part it says this:

John Bray1
#1577, b. before 1866, d. 1904

     John Bray was born before 1866.1 He was the son of Henry Bray and Ann (?).1 John Bray married Emma Bray, daughter of Henry Bray and Grace (?), in 1886 in Nymagee, NSW, Aust.1 John Bray died in 1904 in Nymagee, NSW.1

cheers,
   Ros

adding : It is described as a work in progress and to be treated as a guide and suggests everything should be verified.  :)
It does give a Bray contact email
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Re: Brick Wall
« Reply #30 on: Monday 20 August 12 05:15 BST (UK) »
Now i am getting confused..... (tis easy)... cos the the John son of Henry and Ann... JOHN Bray died Nymagee in 1904 while the Son of Henry and Grace John Bray doesn't have a death registered in NSW ???
Who are we looking for :P :-[ :'( :o.......... HELP 8)
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Re: Brick Wall
« Reply #31 on: Monday 20 August 12 05:28 BST (UK) »
Neil I think we have established that John BRAY and wife Elizabeth Skinner HENSLEY lived at Nymagee. 

Their dau married there in 1904 and John died there and is buried in the cemetery. He was the only John BRAY on the electoral roll in 1903.   His death reg shows parents to be Henry and Ann.  Census in 1861 and 1871 show a possible John BRAY born St Blazy, Cornwall. 

Perhaps we should leave it at that and let the OP decide whether or not she/he wishes to purchase transcripts to support the research to date.

Because John and Elizabeth married at Orange doesn't necessarily indicate that John had family at Orange.  The NSW 1903 electoral roll only has three BRAY enrolments at Orange.

Research is speculative until validated.

Cheers ;D
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Re: Brick Wall
« Reply #32 on: Monday 20 August 12 07:42 BST (UK) »
Not your request but perhaps you may like this.....

At NSW Records
http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/

Deceased Estates

BRAY John
Locality  Canbelgo and AIF
Date of death 12 Sep 1916
Date duty paid 5 Feb 1917
Item [19/10204]
Reel 3027-

It would appear that Elizabeth’s age is not accurate on her headstone which indicates a birth in c1851 however…

http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl
Births Jun qtr 1848
HENSLEY  Elizabeth Shinner  Penzance 9/213

Baptism - extracted record

HENSLEY Elizabeth Skinner
7 May 1848 At Perranuthnoe, Cornwall, England   
Father William  Mother Elizabeth

Her 1910 death reg shows parents William and Elizabeth.

1851 Census   HO107/ Piece/1918/141/17
Living at Fore Street, Marazion,   Cornwall
HENSLEY William 50  Tin ?copper own account  Born Camborne, Cornwall
HENSLEY Elizabeth 49                                 Born Gwennap, Cornwall
HENSLEY William  18  Copper miner                Born Perranuthnoe, Cornwall
HENSLEYCharles 14   Copper miner                Born Gwennap, Cornwall
HENSLEY George 10   Scholar                       Born Marazion, Cornwall
HENSLEY Thomas 8    Scholar                      Born Marazion, Cornwall
HENSLEY Mary 6  Scholar                            Born Marazion, Cornwall
HENSLEY Joseph 4                                     Born Marazion, Cornwall
HENSLEY Elizabeth 2                                   Born Marazion, Cornwall
RICHARD Johanna 27 House servant              Born Marazion, Cornwall

Banns -
Parish    Gwennap  1828
HENSLEY William  Residence Camborn  Bachelor
SKINNER? Elizabeth  Of this parish   Spinster
 1   12 Oct
 2   19 Oct
 3   26 Oct

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Re: Brick Wall
« Reply #33 on: Monday 20 August 12 07:56 BST (UK) »
There's this website which is also trying to untangle the John Bray's in NSW
http://users.cyberone.com.au/nevmoya/bray%20families2-o/p110.htm


In part it says this:

John Bray1
#1577, b. before 1866, d. 1904

     John Bray was born before 1866.1 He was the son of Henry Bray and Ann (?).1 John Bray married Emma Bray, daughter of Henry Bray and Grace (?), in 1886 in Nymagee, NSW, Aust.1 John Bray died in 1904 in Nymagee, NSW.1

cheers,
   Ros

adding : It is described as a work in progress and to be treated as a guide and suggests everything should be verified.  :)
It does give a Bray contact email


Also mentions John BRAY and Elizabeth S HENSLEY.

Has the author assumed that as a John BRAY married at Nymagee that he also died there?

I suggest you purchase a couple of transcriptions and then you will have accurate research.

Cheers
Cando
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Re: Brick Wall
« Reply #34 on: Monday 20 August 12 09:34 BST (UK) »
I can only see one John BRAY/Emma marriage in NSW
5030/1886    
BRAY    John   
BRAY    Emma   
District Nymagee
   
Births to a John BRAY and an Emma at FORBES
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0q8r/

New South Wales Electoral Roll
Sub district Forbes
BRAY Emma  Wonjagong  Domestic duties
BRAY Grace Wonjagong Domestic duties
BRAY John Wongergong  Miner
BRAY Ruth Wonjagong  Domestic duties
BRAY William Wonjagong  Miner

Both Emma and John died in the district of Forbes.  John with father Abel and from the census, mother Christiana.

Further research [I had posted it all including census etc but the post stalled and disappeared :'(] it would appear that John was born 1857 in St Columb, Cornwall. 

I'm not going to type it up again as I think it is irrelevant to this thread.

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Re: Brick Wall
« Reply #35 on: Friday 24 August 12 07:19 BST (UK) »

Well-found Muss  :)

Marriage notice doesn't mention family
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article13544805
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article13545471

regards,
   Ros

Thanks for your assistance, I have the news paper report,
Pompet