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Heron family
« on: Monday 27 August 12 19:39 BST (UK) »
Hi,

Am looking into the Heron family, I have a Henry Heron (born about 1843 in Scotland) who married Mary Simpson (born abt 1847), a daughter called Alice Simpson/Heron born abt 1869 Troqueer, Kirkcudbrightshire, she married a Baptiste Alphonse Caroen (know nothing about him) poss married in Berwick on Tweed, not sure of dob, who died before 1856. Alice then married a Patrick Rowan in 1891.

Any info on the above would be helpful. Especially if it involves dob, marriage dates, children etc.

Thanks for any help
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Re: Heron family
« Reply #1 on: Monday 27 August 12 22:57 BST (UK) »
According to an Ancestral file on the LDS Familysearch site, Henry Heron was born in 1843 at Maxwelltown, Kirkcudbrightshire. Mary Simpson was born in 1847, also in Maxwelltown. Alice Heron born 1869 or 1870 Maxwelltown.
Alice married Patrick on 30th Jan 1891 in Maxwelltown.
They had 4 children....
Isabella born about 1889 Dumfries
Patrick born 17th Mar 1892 Maxwelltown
John born 22nd Sept 1893 Maxwelltown
Alice born 21st July 1895 Maxwelltown. Died on 30 Jan 1934 Calgary, Alberta, Canada. Burial was on 1 Feb 1934 Burnsland Cemetery, Lot 48, Block 13, Section H, Calgary

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Re: Heron family
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 23 January 19 15:52 GMT (UK) »
Hi,
My great grandfather was Jean Baptiste Alphonse Caroen, whom I believe was married to one of the persons you mention. I believe he was an itinerant philanderer who fathered twelve children around Scotland. Whether he was legally married to any of his wives I am unsure. His name changed frequently to various combinations of the above name. The only time I can trace him on a census is in1891, when the lodging house keeper in Hamilton registered his name as a lodger. I've only just started researching this side of the family and it's opened up a Pandora's box of surprises. I this line is of interest to you drop me a line.


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Re: Heron family
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 23 January 19 17:23 GMT (UK) »
Hi there and welcome to RootsChat  :)

There is one marriage showing for Jean BAPTASTE A Caroen. He is showing as having married a Janet Browning Morrison in 1891 in the Partick area of Glasgow.

You can view the image of the marriage reg here www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk

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Re: Heron family
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 23 January 19 17:26 GMT (UK) »
A possible death cert for Jean Baptiste in Cupar Angus. Death showing in 1922, aged 63. Have you viewed this? This could let you confirm wife/ves' names hopefully.

Can't easily see a Scottish death on the indexes for Janet Morrison/Caroen.

Could this be a son to them? Emigrated to the US in 1910, died at the age of 102. www.findagrave.com/memorial/11124040 From his WW2 draft card, he gave his birth place as Glasgow. Birth not yet jumping out for me.

Which of his children are you descended from?

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Re: Heron family
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 23 January 19 18:09 GMT (UK) »
How many marriages do you think he had? His name is unique enough to stand out in Scotland at that time. Are these all his marriages?

1885 - Alice Simpson Heron - Berwick upon Tweed
1891 - Janet/Jessie Morrison - Glasgow
1901 - Jane Barclay - Port William

Bigamous marriages?

This looks like Janet or Jessie Morrison in 1901. All born in Glasgow:

Jessie Caroen/Morrison 36 char woman
John Caroen 8...likely the John we had moving to the US.
Maria Caroen 6
Jessie Caroen 3
Robert Caroen 3 Momths
Jeanie Morrison 57 mother
William Fitzsimons 35 border
Mary Fitzsimons 26
James Fitzsimons 22 Months

Address: 11 George St, Glasgow/ Blackfriars

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Re: Heron family
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 23 January 19 18:24 GMT (UK) »
Alice looks to have had two daughters with Jean Baptiste and then married Patrick Rowan in 1891. I wonder what she showed on her marriage registration to Patrick.

The daughters with Jean Baptiste show as:

Josephine CAROEN 1887 in Dumfries
Isabella CAROEN 1889 in Dumfries

This birth certs will also let you confirm marriage details for parents as additional corrobaration of the 1885 marriage.

Havem't found them yet in 1891.

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Re: Heron family
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 23 January 19 20:30 GMT (UK) »
Hi again,
In relation to Monica L's message: my great grandmother, Janet Browning Morrison (or Caroen), eventually became Janet Rigby - husband John Rigby - if they were ever married! He died in 1942, she died in 1951 and both are buried in Dumbarton Cemetery. I visited the grave two days ago for the first time. My grandfather was Janet's son by Caroen namely Robert Gibson Morrison Caroen later known as Rigby. She had four children by Caroen.
I have found birth certificates online for twelve children fathered by old Caroen - two in the Dumfries area by Alice Simpson, four by my great gran in the Glasgow area and six by Jane Barclay in the Dundee area. Jean Baptiste died in 1922 in Cupar as stated, supposedly aged 63 - after a very busy life - no further comment!

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Re: Heron family
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 23 January 19 22:22 GMT (UK) »
Certainly a rogue with the women who came into his life   ::)

Janet Morrison did marry John Rigby. The marriage entry shows as:

John RIGBY and Jessie MORRISON
1936
644/8 1189
Blythswood Glasgow

The three marriages I mentioned ealier are also on the official registers for you to check. The English marriage to Alice would need to be ordered, the others you can view online on Scotlands People.

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