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Re: Heron family
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 23 January 19 22:25 GMT (UK) »
Have you followed up on possible Poor Relief Applications for Jessie and her children? Worth checking whether there are records for the family at the Mitchell Library. Glasgow poor relief records are some of the best kept.  If you are lucky to find some, they would likely give you a lot of background info you are not likely to find elsewhere.

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Re: Heron family
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 23 January 19 22:39 GMT (UK) »
What a mixture of women and children!

1901 census has Jean with his new wife, Jane Barclay, down in Wigtowshire...not too far from his wife Alice who by now is married to Peter Rowan (in 1891). Missing in the Rowan household in the 1901 census is eldest daughter from Alice's marriage to Jean...that is because Josephine is showing with her father and new wife  ;D Confusing for sure!

Peter Barclay 54 China merchant b. Stevenson, Ayrshire
Elizabeth T Barclay 58 wife b. Ireland
John Carven 33 pedlar b. Subj), France (Nat Brit)
Jane Carven/Barclay 21 daughter
Josephine Carven 13 niece b. Dumfries...daughter with Alice
Peter Carven 11 Months nephew b. Dundee
Adam Gilcher 67 pedlar b. Subj), Germany (Ger)

Address: Ship Inn, Mochrum, Wigtownshire

1911, you would think the family would be in the Edinburgh area with the death of son Noel in Feb 1911 and the birth of daughter Isabella in Sept 1911 there.

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Re: Heron family
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 24 January 19 10:22 GMT (UK) »
Hi Monica L,
Thanks for the info on the marriages - just hadn't got that far. Also forgot my great granny was also called Jessie. You say she is listed as a charwoman? Family story was she came from a well-to-do background, but that she was also fond of the bottle. (Maybe wishful thinking?) She purchased a fairly large headstone for her husband, John Rigby, also with a dedication to her late father in Dumbarton Cemetery. I actually have the receipt!
Good suggestion about the Poor Relief Applications, which are a new source to me. This could be very relevant as the family stories suggest that only my grandfather, Robert, was kept by my great granny when she took up with John Rigby, and the rest of the children were put into care. I'll follow this up when I can - don't like Glasgow's attitude to drivers! As I mentioned, I'm just starting out on this research and it looks like a lengthy process.


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Re: Heron family
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 24 January 19 10:49 GMT (UK) »
This might be him to down in Dover, England

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Marriages Dec 1893 
Carion    Jean Baptiste        Dover    2a   1954

Spouse
Baudoux    Alexina Ghislaine        Dover    2a   1954    

modified: Jean Baptiste Carion seems to be a common name in england so perhaps not? This one was born 1871 in Luttre, Belgium https://gw.geneanet.org/bouchris?lang=en&iz=53&p=jean+baptiste&n=carion&oc=11

Wemyss/Crombie/Laing/Blyth (West Wemyss)
Givens/Normand (Dysart)
Clark/Lister (Dysart)
Wilkinson/Simson (Kettle or Kettlehill)

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« Reply #13 on: Thursday 24 January 19 10:59 GMT (UK) »
"At the Maryhill Police Court to-day, a Frenchman named Jean Baptiste Alphonso Caroen (29), a hawker, of no fixed residence, will be formally reminted to the Sheriff charged with bigamy."

Saturday 19 September 1896, Glasgow Herald,  Lanarkshire, Scotland

((So born about 1867?))

"A Frenchman named Jean Baptiste Alphonse Caroen was charged with having, on ?th July, in the Roman Catholic Chapel, Main Street, Maryhill, being the husband of Janet Browning Caroen, 24 Fernie Street, bigamously married ..."
 Saturday 26 September 1896, Glasgow Herald, Lanarkshire, Scotland

((He tried to marry someone in 1896?? Who, you'd need to join British newspaper archives to find out?? You get 3 free pages just for joining)

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Wemyss/Crombie/Laing/Blyth (West Wemyss)
Givens/Normand (Dysart)
Clark/Lister (Dysart)
Wilkinson/Simson (Kettle or Kettlehill)

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Re: Heron family
« Reply #14 on: Thursday 24 January 19 11:28 GMT (UK) »
To whiteout7
It's quite possible he married again in 1893. I t seems he was keen to marry but maybe never got round to divorces or annulments. There was a hiatus in the births at that point, although he continued to have children by Jane Barclay. He had 3 children born in the years 1900, 1901 and 1905 to Jane Barclay in Dundee and 1 to Janet Morrison in 1900 (my grandfather).
Great find in discovering the law caught up with him eventually!

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Re: Heron family
« Reply #15 on: Thursday 24 January 19 11:40 GMT (UK) »
I can see the two children of Alice Simpson being baptised as Catholics

CAROEN, JOSEPHINA
BAPTIST ALX CAROEN/ALICE SIMPSON
20/10/1887
13/11/1887
Dumfries, St Andrew's

CAROEN, ISABELLA
ALFONSA CAROEN/ALICE SIMPSON
22/9/1889
3/10/1889
Dumfries, St Andrew's

((His name has changed between the two baptisms))

Yes Caroen, wonder who found him out and if there are police records .......

Wemyss/Crombie/Laing/Blyth (West Wemyss)
Givens/Normand (Dysart)
Clark/Lister (Dysart)
Wilkinson/Simson (Kettle or Kettlehill)

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« Reply #16 on: Thursday 24 January 19 13:20 GMT (UK) »
 :o Yep another marriage (great find whiteout!)

You can view the Glasgow Herald for free here https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=GGgVawPscysC&dat=18960919&printsec=frontpage&hl=en  The story is on Page 3 - last column.

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Re: Heron family
« Reply #17 on: Thursday 24 January 19 13:29 GMT (UK) »
From the Glasgow Herald Saturday, September 26, 1896

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