perry's in wiltshire & perry green?

[touchofmange]

This is 1861 Census

William Riddle 71 occ Baliff 150 Acres employing 4 men & 1 boy b St Johns Lewes Sussex
Edmund Bonniface 42 occ Ag Lab b Streat
Sarah Bonniface 38 occ Dairymaid b St Johns
Mary Bonniface 13 b Ditchling
ANN Bonniface 9 b Streat
Residing at Marchants Farm, Street Place, Street

Edmund/Annie and Henry C are not inmates, all the inmates are shown by their initials ie A C E etc

Mary Boniface marries a John West in March qtr 1876 Brighton 2b 273

This looks as if it could be the marriage of Edmund & Sarah

13 April 1844 Westmeston Sussex
Edmund Boniface b1819 father John Boniface
Sarah Chandler b1822 father Edward

Edmund Bonniface ch 11 Sep 1818 Street Sussex
Parents John Bonniface & Sarah

Ann Boniface
christening 8 Jun 1851 Street Sussex
Parents Edmund Boniface & Sarah

5 Feb 1884 Cuckfield Sussex
Louisa Boniface b1846 father Edmund Boniface married
William John Wearn b1842 fater Henry Wearn

1876 St Nicholas Brighton Sussex
Mary Boniface b1849 father Edmund Boniface married
John West b1849 father Samuel West
(family search)

touchofmange
when you receive the marriage certificate of Jacob Perry to Ann please come back & let us know the name of Ann's father 

will do, should come next week.  can i ask where you got all those results from as i'm not getting them on ancestry. is this the nest step, the microfiches on cd etc?  i will probably get a sussex or part of set of records for keymer to wivensfield ish. can you recommend anything or is this not the way to go?  I have mobility problems so i'm going to have to do what i can from home, and my family can tackle the record offices in sussex.

I'd love to know what happened to thomas perry born shrewton, wilts 1811, married to elizabeth (possibly maslen) born 1808 hilcott wilts. both were in keymer sussex for the 1881 census, having been in dorset for the 1871.  i've been trying the baptist preacher side but not had much luck so far. think i've got elizabeth's death.

thanks again

[Ladyhawk]

Hello touchofmange

the baptism/christening/marriages I have found for the name Boniface are from LDS familysearch website - see link below

https://familysearch.org/

I not quite sure but I think if you have an LDS family search centre close to you I believe you can order in the microfilms to look at there - not sure of the cost or how you go about it - here's a link with some info. which I hope may prove helpful

http://genealogy.about.com/od/libraries/a/fhc.htm

 

[touchofmange]

This is 1861 Census

William Riddle 71 occ Baliff 150 Acres employing 4 men & 1 boy b St Johns Lewes Sussex
Edmund Bonniface 42 occ Ag Lab b Streat
Sarah Bonniface 38 occ Dairymaid b St Johns
Mary Bonniface 13 b Ditchling
ANN Bonniface 9 b Streat
Residing at Marchants Farm, Street Place, Street

Edmund/Annie and Henry C are not inmates, all the inmates are shown by their initials ie A C E etc

Mary Boniface marries a John West in March qtr 1876 Brighton 2b 273

This looks as if it could be the marriage of Edmund & Sarah

13 April 1844 Westmeston Sussex
Edmund Boniface b1819 father John Boniface
Sarah Chandler b1822 father Edward

Edmund Bonniface ch 11 Sep 1818 Street Sussex
Parents John Bonniface & Sarah

Ann Boniface
christening 8 Jun 1851 Street Sussex
Parents Edmund Boniface & Sarah

5 Feb 1884 Cuckfield Sussex
Louisa Boniface b1846 father Edmund Boniface married
William John Wearn b1842 fater Henry Wearn

1876 St Nicholas Brighton Sussex
Mary Boniface b1849 father Edmund Boniface married
John West b1849 father Samuel West
(family search)

touchofmange
when you receive the marriage certificate of Jacob Perry to Ann please come back & let us know the name of Ann's father 

hi ok the marriage cert came for jacob perry and annie bonieface, spelt with an additional e in the middle.  and to back up the sarah chandler marriage to her father edmund bonieface, the witness is harriet chandler so i've got that to follow up. interesting that she signed with a cross and then somebidy else had written the hand of harriet chandler, is that normal practise? has an address for them too which was by the census 10 years later, a pub in landport, hants in1870.  the maitland arms.  Living or working at the pub i wonder if it was one then?

[Ladyhawk]

the marriage cert came for jacob perry and annie bonieface, spelt with an additional e in the middle and to back up the sarah chandler marriage to her father edmund bonieface,

 the witness is harriet chandler so i've got that to follow up.

has an address for them too which was by the census 10 years later, a pub in landport, hants in1870.  the maitland arms. 

What was the age of Annie when she married and
What was Jacob Perry's father name & occupation and
Was there another witness their marriage?

Have you looked at the 1911 census for widowed Annie Perry born 1851 Streat Sussex (free to view at the moment on Ancestry) - sorry can't post details

I have a possible brother for Edmund and a possible marriage for John & Sarah details from family search

Walter Bonniface 1 Feb 1817 Street Sussex
Parents John Bonniface & Sarah

marriage
24 Oct 1811 Street Sussex England
John Boniface to Sarah Taylor

I'd love to know what happened to thomas perry born shrewton, wilts 1811, married to elizabeth (possibly maslen) born 1808 hilcott wilts.

both were in keymer sussex for the 1881 census, having been in dorset for the 1871. 

i've been trying the baptist preacher side but not had much luck so far. think i've got elizabeth's death.

Is this the Thomas Perry you were looking at on the 1881/1871 census

1881 Sandrocks Lodge
Thomas Perry  70 (1811) Shrewton Wiltshire occ. Gardener
Elizabeth Perry age 73 Nth Newnton Wiltshire
Jacob Perry Lodger 22 Charlton Wiltshire Labourer

1871 Dorset
Thomas Perry age 60 Shrewton Wiltshire occ  Propgagtor Baptist Preacher
Elizabeth 63 Nth Newton Wiltshire
2 lodgers 1 visitor

this looks to be Thomas Perry on earlier censuses - sorry don't have full transcriptions

1861 Devizes Bromham
Thomas Perry age 54 Shrewton Wiltshire occ.Gardener
Elizabeth 53 Hilcott Wiltshire
Jacob 19 Charlton Wiltshire occ Smith
Thomas 16 Devizes occ Apprentice
Samuel 12 Rowde Wiltshire occ Painter
Benjamin 10 Rowde “

1851 Devizes
Thomas Perry 40 Shrewton Wiltshire occ. Gardener
Elizabeth 43 Hilcott Wiltshire
Rhoda 17 Charlton Wiltshire House servant
Martha 15 Wiltshire Dress maker Apprentice
Mary 12 Wiltshire
Jacob 9 Wiltshire
Thomas 5 Devizes Wiltshire
Samuel 2 Rowde Wiltshire
Henry Benjamin 0 Rowde Wiltshire

1841 Pewsey Netheravon
Thomas Perry age 30
Elizabeth 30
John 14
Sarah 11
Edward 9
Rhoda 7
Martha 5
Mary 3

On family search there's this christening
Elizabeth Maslin 3 Nov 1808 North Newnton Wiltshire
parents John Maslin & Grace

[touchofmange]

the marriage cert came for jacob perry and annie bonieface, spelt with an additional e in the middle and to back up the sarah chandler marriage to her father edmund bonieface,

 the witness is harriet chandler so i've got that to follow up.

has an address for them too which was by the census 10 years later, a pub in landport, hants in1870.  the maitland arms. 

What was the age of Annie when she married and
What was Jacob Perry's father name & occupation and
Was there another witness their marriage?

Have you looked at the 1911 census for widowed Annie Perry born 1851 Streat Sussex (free to view at the moment on Ancestry) - sorry can't post details

I have a possible brother for Edmund and a possible marriage for John & Sarah details from family search

Walter Bonniface 1 Feb 1817 Street Sussex
Parents John Bonniface & Sarah

marriage
24 Oct 1811 Street Sussex England
John Boniface to Sarah Taylor

I'd love to know what happened to thomas perry born shrewton, wilts 1811, married to elizabeth (possibly maslen) born 1808 hilcott wilts.

both were in keymer sussex for the 1881 census, having been in dorset for the 1871. 

i've been trying the baptist preacher side but not had much luck so far. think i've got elizabeth's death.

Is this the Thomas Perry you were looking at on the 1881/1871 census

1881 Sandrocks Lodge
Thomas Perry  70 (1811) Shrewton Wiltshire occ. Gardener
Elizabeth Perry age 73 Nth Newnton Wiltshire
Jacob Perry Lodger 22 Charlton Wiltshire Labourer

1871 Dorset
Thomas Perry age 60 Shrewton Wiltshire occ  Propgagtor Baptist Preacher
Elizabeth 63 Nth Newton Wiltshire
2 lodgers 1 visitor

this looks to be Thomas Perry on earlier censuses - sorry don't have full transcriptions

1861 Devizes Bromham
Thomas Perry age 54 Shrewton Wiltshire occ.Gardener
Elizabeth 53 Hilcott Wiltshire
Jacob 19 Charlton Wiltshire occ Smith
Thomas 16 Devizes occ Apprentice
Samuel 12 Rowde Wiltshire occ Painter
Benjamin 10 Rowde “

1851 Devizes
Thomas Perry 40 Shrewton Wiltshire occ. Gardener
Elizabeth 43 Hilcott Wiltshire
Rhoda 17 Charlton Wiltshire House servant
Martha 15 Wiltshire Dress maker Apprentice
Mary 12 Wiltshire
Jacob 9 Wiltshire
Thomas 5 Devizes Wiltshire
Samuel 2 Rowde Wiltshire
Henry Benjamin 0 Rowde Wiltshire

1841 Pewsey Netheravon
Thomas Perry age 30
Elizabeth 30
John 14
Sarah 11
Edward 9
Rhoda 7
Martha 5
Mary 3

On family search there's this christening
Elizabeth Maslin 3 Nov 1808 North Newnton Wiltshire
parents John Maslin & Grace

hi, the marriage cert said she was 20 and he 28. jacob's dad was thomas which i knew and he is a nurseryman.  there is another witness but it says at the end something unreadable and will of superintendent registration (possibly). the name is john clark. i'm trying to trace perry's really although the bonieface is my birth line too.

yes the 1911 census was a help as it told me how many kids they had given birth too and how may survived 9/5. so i'm still missing a child between censuses possibly and i know of two that died, though again jacob is my line.

yes that is the thomas, my gr gr grandfather. i've seen a number of people call his wife elizabeth maslen on family trees but i have no sources.  it's quite possible as the early wiltshire censuses are very rural and the families all marry around and move together. i've emailed wfhs about cd's and stuff so i'll see what they say.  they other clue for thomas is the baptist thing but it ammounts to asking every church within his census area atleast until i find his death/burial/probate.  thanks for your help anyway.

[Ladyhawk]

thomas, my gr gr grandfather.

i've seen a number of people call his wife elizabeth maslen on family trees but i have no sources. 

i've emailed wfhs about cd's and stuff so i'll see what they say. 

On the 1841c (FreeCen) there’s a Jane MASLEN age 25 born Wiltshire
living in the same household as Thomas & Elizabeth Perry plus family

Family search has a christening same place/ parents as Elizabeth Maslin

Jane Maslin 17 Jul 1814 North Newnton Wiltshire parents John Maslin & Grace

This looks to be a birth entry for one of their children from FreeBMD Henry Benjamin Perry Mar qtr. 1851 Devizes vol 8 page 360 - obtaining a birth certificate of one of their children would confirm Elizabeth's maiden name

ADDED

Didn't realise that Wiltshire had it's own BMD site http://www.wiltshirebmd.org.uk/births.php

These entries confirm mother's maiden name 
Birth Entries Surname PERRY
1838 Mary Netheravon mmn MASLEN
1840 Elizabeth    “                                  “
1841 Jacob        “                                   “
1845 Thomas  Devizes                             “
1848 Mary S S    “                                  “
1848 Samuel      “                                   “
1851 Henry B  Bromham & Potterne             “   

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There's this marriage for a Jane Maslen

1844 St Peter  Charlton Devizes
Jane Maslin age 30 (1841) father John
John Burden age 30 (1841) father James

1881c Wilsford St Wiltshire
John Burden 66 Charlton Wiltshire Ag Lab., Jane Burden 66 Hilcot Wiltshire

1871c living with them son Henry Burden age 19 Charlton

1852 Henry BURDEN Netheravon mmn MASLEN
 

[Ladyhawk]

for info. from the birth entries posted above there seem to be two MASLEN girls that have married a PERRY

the birth entry for 1848 Mary S S Perry
FreeBMD shows her as Mary Sarah Sissons Perry, family search shows her marriage to John Biggs Banks 25th Apr 1876  St Peter Devizes Marlbor’ Wiltshire age 27 father named as JOHN Perry. Ancestry (submitted by member) have her mother as Louisa Elizabeth MASLEN.

1881 census a Louisa E Perry widow age 59 occ Servant living with the Banks family at Honey Bottom Berkshire, John B Banks 34, Mary S S age 32 born Devizes, George S 3 & John W

and there's this marriage on FreeBMD & Wiltshire BMD

Sep Qtr. 1846 Devizes
Louisa Elizabeth Maslen name on same page John Perry
1846 St John Devizes
Louisa E MASLEN to JOHN Perry

This is the only marriage I have found on family search but can't confirm if it's your Thomas

2 Jan 1831 St Thomas Portsmouth Hampshire Thomas Perry to Elizabeth Masling

Have you had any luck finding Thomas' death?
Do you think he died in Sussex as they were living in Keymer in 1881

You mention you have possibly found the death of Elizabeth Perry
Is this the one age 75 (1808) in 1883 Cuckfield ( Keymer is in that Registration district)

Nothing showing up for a death of Thomas Perry in Sussex of the right age
 

[Ladyhawk]

If the death is correct for Elizabeth Perry in 1883 Cuckfield Sussex it's possible Thomas returned to Wiltshire - he maybe the informant on her death certificate 

FreeBMD death entry
Thomas Perry age 79 (1810) Sept 1889 Devizes

[touchofmange]

hi, i typed a long post last night regarding the 1841 census for charlton wilts with all the perry's (28) and maslen/maslin who all shared a number of households, possibly dependant on what their work was. anyway it crashed so i'll have to redo it. aaargh.

i think elizabeth maslin had a twin called mary found on the fam search christening, and i found another john (10) and george (6) maslen living in the household of john and elizabeth weeks 1841 cens. + jane maslen living with thomas and eliz.

as for the perrys-  census for charlton wilts 1841.

thomas perry 30, elizabeth nee maslin 30 (more likely 33, several sources), john 14, sarah 11, edward 9, rhoda 7, martha 5, mary 3,  +jane maslen 25.

george perry 20, emma 20, james 2, frederick 5 months. (these are likely family unit and i found the marriage ref: 1838 charlton,wilts- george perry father james married emma davies father george)

sarah perry 65, thomas 20, joseph 20, charles 15, stephen 7.

william perry 25, harriet 25, emmily 6, louisa 4, alfred 2, ellen . (these are likely family unit and i found the marriage ref for william and harriet cook- 1833 rushall, wilts)  also emily christened 18 jan 1835 in charlton,wilts. louisa chr 03 jun 1836 charlton, wilts. no birth records for alfred or ellen.

john perry 55, tabitha 60,

elizabeth perry 18, john 15, frederick 14,  in john and mary blackman's home.

john (75) and elizabeth (55) weeks - john maslen 10, george 6.


i think i read that people or women could be married at age 12 (scary), what about the men and at what age could they legally have children?
this in relation to thomas and elizabeth's first census record where the eldest john is 14, there is no proof that any census children living with them are theirs until we get to mary's birth record in 1838 and then the 1851 census where rhoda is still at home with the new inbetween brood. john, sarah and edward have left.  still haven't heard back from wfhs about earlier records.  thanks for your help by the way 

also interesting that the hamlet on the edge of charlton became perry green in the 19th century. wonder if there is any link? haven't found anything online yet.

regards neil