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Offline BillyF

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James Black, Hawick
« on: Friday 07 September 12 13:27 BST (UK) »
I`ve been looking for the death James Black, christened Hawick May 11th 1862, mother`s maiden name Williamson.

James married Agnes Johnston 1892 in Hawick, and they had a son Adam Black born 1893.

By the 1901 Census seems to have disappeared and family legend is that he had died. I`ve looked on Scotlands People but couldn`t find him

I`m perplexed as what to do next, any help would really be appreciated.

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Re: James Black, Hawick
« Reply #1 on: Friday 07 September 12 18:40 BST (UK) »
Regarding the above, I have just tried again and also for his mother in law Mary Johnston without success, also his wife Agnes Black who I found yesterday and fortunately had downloaded and saved.

So, the question remains where they all are, although obviously I know about Agnes death, leading me to think there is a problem with Scotlands People website

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Re: James Black, Hawick
« Reply #2 on: Friday 07 September 12 19:14 BST (UK) »
Hi Billy

Have you confirmed from the 1901 census that wife Agnes showed as widowed?

Agnes Black 36, Wool Carder b. Innerleithen, Peeblesshire
Adam Black 7, son b. Hawick
Mary Johnstone 65, mother, pauper b. Galashiels, selkirkshire

Address: 17 Loan, Hawick

Struggling to see James Black in earlier censuses. Have you found him with family before his married in 1892?

Closest I have come to is a possible remarriage for a Janet (a variant of Jessie) Williamson to an Adam Wood https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XYQB-2BC

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Re: James Black, Hawick
« Reply #3 on: Friday 07 September 12 20:38 BST (UK) »
Thanks for your reply, and your work.

I have got the 1901 Census showing Agnes with her son Adam and mother Mary Johnston; I also have the death of Agnes , these 2 items I found yesterday on ScotlandsPeople.

I tried using it today but  I`ve had no luck with it at all.

On family search I have found christenings of James Black plus 2 brothers and 2 sisters, but it`s his death I  would like to find

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Re: James Black, Hawick
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 08 September 12 10:04 BST (UK) »
Hi all ,

Although Davids age looks out this could be brothers and sister of James in 1881  :-\

11 Wellington Street , Wilton , Roxburgh
David Black 31(?) clerk Dye works born Hawick Roxburgh
Elspeth Black 25 sister woolen power loom weaver b. Selkirk Selkirk
Robert Black 16 brother engine fitter(apprentice) b. Hawick , Roxburgh

Found this family in 1861(and 1851) , going by the ages of the children etc. some of the children may be from a previous marriage -

http://www.maxwellancestry.com/census/61transcript.aspx?houseid=78901036

http://www.maxwellancestry.com/census/51transcript.aspx?houseid=77803015

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Re: James Black, Hawick
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 08 September 12 10:32 BST (UK) »
Did Agnes show as a widow on the original 1901 census image you have viewed on SP?

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Re: James Black, Hawick
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 08 September 12 10:54 BST (UK) »
Looks like the father Robert died in 1874
Robert Black death 1874 Hawick , Roxburgh , born c1811(SP)
Also -
Jessie Black(other surname Williamson) death 1867 Hawick , Roxburgh , born c1828(SP)

Robert and family should be on the 1871 Census(with James ?)

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Re: James Black, Hawick
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 09 September 12 15:08 BST (UK) »
Thankyou very much for all your help.

I have christening of Jessie Williamson, and her marriage to Robert Black in 1852
but no deaths. On the 1861 census Robert is 52 and Jessie is 32, so I think Robert may have been married before, as Jessie would only have been 15 when the eldest was born, before her marriage.

However, James Black christened Hawick May 11th 1862 ,son of above, but so far nothing else about him until he married Agnes Johnston.

There is a family story that Adam( son of James and Agnes ) had a cousin who emigrated to Canada, name unknown. I`m now wondering if it might have been James.

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Re: James Black, Hawick
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 11 September 12 10:30 BST (UK) »
I have had another couple of thoughts about James Black to share with you !!

1. He may have come into England so looked him up on Freecen, there is only one born in Scotland but he was 31, 2 years older than my James Black. He was also married to a Yorkshire girl.

2. He may have gone to fight in the Boer War ?!!!!!!!

Thanks