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Morton family of Hamilton Farm Rd
« on: Sunday 09 September 12 08:23 BST (UK) »
This is a strange story. Our Morton family, originally from Hamilton Farm, from 1830s -1850s has a medallion commemorating the opening of the Thames tunnel in 1833. We have no idea how it came into the family, now in Australia. The strange part is that a Rhys Morton, presumably a real person was a "ghostly" character in a book by Victor Canning. In the book Morton was supposedly an assistant to Brunel who built the tunnel. I have tried many avenues to locate Rhys Morton and any asssociation with Brunel without success. A Canning expert told me that Victor would not have made up the connection as he was particular in his research.Perhaps this is just one of those weird situations but I would appreciate any information listers could contribute to solve the mystery.
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Re: Morton family of Hamilton Farm Rd
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 09 September 12 11:53 BST (UK) »
Query on the address - Hamilton Farm (Rd).   Did you mean Hamilton Farm, Rutherglen, Lanarkshire without the Rd? Gray865

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Re: Morton family of Hamilton Farm Rd
« Reply #2 on: Monday 10 September 12 09:46 BST (UK) »
Robert Morton was living at Hamilton Farm Row when he died in 1874. He was  born around 1810. His  son, Thomas was also living at Hamilton Farm at the time of his marriage in 1855.


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Re: Morton family of Hamilton Farm Rd
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 24 September 20 16:55 BST (UK) »
Hi, I realise this was posted a while ago but has just appeared on my radar as I am researching my family and have traced Robert Hamilton Morton and his wife Elizabeth Rennie (Rae on marriage record) who lived there. Could they be related?
Their daughter was named Margaret Hamilton Morton - was that usual ie to be named after the landowner? I thought the Scottish naming tradition would have given Margaret her Grandmother's maiden name or have I got that wrong?

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Re: Morton family of Hamilton Farm Rd
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 24 September 20 17:45 BST (UK) »
There are all sorts of reasons why a child may be given a name that doesn't fit the naming tradition.

Margaret is a very common given name for girls in Scotland. Why do you think the child was named after the landowner? Could she have been named after a relative who had just died?

What were the names of her grandmothers?

There is a record of the marriage of Robert Morton and Elizabeth Rennie in Rutherglen in 1844. Scotland's People has no record of a marriage of Robert Morton to Elizabeth Rae. They had at least Robert, 1849; William, 1852; Thomas, 1854; Elizabeth, 1856; Jane, 1858; Janet, 1862; Martha, 1864; Christina, 1866; and John, 1868. There is also a Margaret Hamilton Morton, mother Elizabeth Rae, in 1846.

This family was in Bothwell in 1861. Robert was 34, born in Rutherglen, and Elizabeth was 33, born Tollcross (Glasgow). Margaret is transcribed as Mary in the version I looked at. In 1851 they were in 'Village of Hamilton Farme' parish of Rutherglen.

In 1841 Robert is probably the one at New Farme, Rutherglen, with Robert Morton, 45 and Margaret Morton, 43. If this is your Robert it suggests that his mother, and hence Margaret's grandmother, was named Margaret.

Elizabeth Rennie, other surname Morton, died in Rutherglen in 1876 aged 48. You need to look at her death certificate to see what her mother's name was.
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Re: Morton family of Hamilton Farm Rd
« Reply #5 on: Friday 25 September 20 13:58 BST (UK) »
Farme/Ferme, Farme Cross, Rutherglen, I knew it as Ferme when I worked nearby. The castle is long gone sadly! now just factory units. Hamilton Farm was part of the Farme estate, the Hamilton's acquired Farme from the Flemings, hence the name. Difficult URL just type it up.

https://www.glasgowwestaddress.co.uk/Old_Country_Houses/Farme.htm

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Re: Morton family of Hamilton Farm Rd
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 30 September 20 00:41 BST (UK) »
Seems to be a bit of confusion re Mortons in Rutherglen at 1841 & 1851
2 separate families where the head of the household was called Robert.

Robert Morton age 32 with wife Mary JACKSON 32... (mistranscribed as Margt) 32 lived in Skirnhill at 1841
Children: Robert, Thomas, Jane, Janet and David.
At 1851, this same family was living at  Hamilton Farme and have additional children named James and Christina.
Head of household on both returns is an Engineer/Engine Worker.

This family connects to mine.
Son James Morton bc 1845  was married twice and his daughter Christina Morton from his 2nd marriage married into my family.
Interestingly, in 1912,  she also emigrated to Australia then moved to NZ.

I would guess that Thomas was part of this family.
MORTON
THOMAS
ROBERT MORTON/MARY JANET JACKSON FR499 (FR499)
M
28/02/1830
654/
30 80
Rutherglen

The other family  who are at Farme on both the 1841 and 1851 returns is Robert Morton with wife Margaret.
This man was a Collier, around 10 yrs older than Robert (above) and there's no son named Thomas on either return.

It's likely that both men named Robert Morton worked at Farme Colliery.

Dumbleton states that Robert died in 1874 and his death was registered by his son Thomas.
This record will state this Robert's occupation and should also name his wife.

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Re: Morton family of Hamilton Farm Rd
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 17 October 20 17:17 BST (UK) »
Hi, sorry for the delay in replying but I am now wondering whether I have the wrong birth for ‘my' Margaret Hamilton Brown.
I have photos of the family bible which belonged to her and her husband, William Brown in which he gives her name as Margaret Hamilton Brown born 27 March 1846. I now think she was born in Cambroe Lanarkshire as stated on a census and this is also where William was from.
However, I can’t find her birth record in Scotland’s People or Ancestry s far. I will keep looking.
I know her and William married 14 June 1867 in Old Monkland Manse and I believe they had 11 children.
On the marriage record, William is from the Whifflet and Margaret from Coatbridge:
William’s parents are John Brown and Mary O’Brien.
Margaret’s parents are Robert Morton and her mother Elizabeth ?? – see snip. I am not sure of the surname.
Many thanks once again.

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Re: Morton family of Hamilton Farm Rd
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 17 October 20 17:26 BST (UK) »
So that snip is Elizabeth Rainey/Rennie. I have that on her marriage to Robert Morton in 1876. There it shows her mother was Margaret Rennie nee Hamilton. So that clears that up but still need to find the birth of Margaret Hamilton Morton born 1846.