Author Topic: Stumped Can anyone help!!! Trying to find my husbands Great Grandparents  (Read 11222 times)

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Re: Stumped Can anyone help!!! Trying to find my husbands Great Grandparents
« Reply #27 on: Sunday 23 September 12 16:25 BST (UK) »
The plot thickens  ::) and I wonder if there is any significance in the info below bearing in mind the White/Gullick name

There is a marriage of a John Gullick q3 1934, Dover, Kent to an Alice L White or Lacey Vol 2a 3947

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Re: Stumped Can anyone help!!! Trying to find my husbands Great Grandparents
« Reply #28 on: Sunday 23 September 12 16:33 BST (UK) »
 ;D ;D

We'll have to organise a collection for the various certificates.
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Re: Stumped Can anyone help!!! Trying to find my husbands Great Grandparents
« Reply #29 on: Sunday 23 September 12 16:34 BST (UK) »
There is a Violet A Gullick born abt 1885 and buried Coventry 1953  :-\

Nor can I see anything about a Patricia or Elizabeth Harding/Lacey
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Re: Stumped Can anyone help!!! Trying to find my husbands Great Grandparents
« Reply #30 on: Sunday 23 September 12 17:57 BST (UK) »
I hesitate to come in on this amongst so many eminent rootschatters but it seems to me that uncle george is the key to this.
He is telling the truth as he knows it, but it is what his father Harold Henry told him.
Rather than explain to hjs son that he is illegitimate he has produced this story to explain to george why he(harold henry) is a harding but his (stepfather) is a Lilley.

georges schoolmates, when h was 7 or 8 would have picked up on this and  possibly teased him; maybe this is the answer his father gave

does this make sense :-\ :-\ :-\

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Re: Stumped Can anyone help!!! Trying to find my husbands Great Grandparents
« Reply #31 on: Sunday 23 September 12 18:22 BST (UK) »
Hello all...... :)

I have been fascinated in watching how this thread is unfolding..... :D

Item reference J 77/3184/7651
Divorce Court File: 7651. Appellant: Alice Lavinia Lacey otherwise Alice Lavinia White. Respondent: Nicholas Lacey. Type: Wife's petition for/of nullity [WN]. ...
Covering dates -1933

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Re: Stumped Can anyone help!!! Trying to find my husbands Great Grandparents
« Reply #32 on: Sunday 23 September 12 18:49 BST (UK) »
Interesting its for nullity not divorce - so there is some query about the legitimacy of the 1915 marriage. Options for grounds appear to be


impotence, provided the condition existed before the marriage and was permanent

absence of consent, where consent had been obtained through fraud or coercion, or insanity of one of the parties at the time of the marriage

breach of statute, where the parties were within the prohibited degrees of relationship, or where one or both had not been free to marry at the time of the marriage. This would include cases where a divorced person re-married before they had obtained their decree absolute

bigamy, in which case the injured party had to prove that the first marriage was valid


I would guess we're in the realms of 3 or 4, but not spotted anything in the press on the British Archive. papers loved a good marital case back then

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Re: Stumped Can anyone help!!! Trying to find my husbands Great Grandparents
« Reply #33 on: Sunday 23 September 12 19:16 BST (UK) »
Dizzifish - That was a good find  ;D  ;D

Makes the marriage in reply #27 look interesting.................

I think we all 'wait with bated breath' as to the next exciting installment!

JJ

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Re: Stumped Can anyone help!!! Trying to find my husbands Great Grandparents
« Reply #34 on: Sunday 23 September 12 19:19 BST (UK) »

Great find Dizzifish;  might be worth the OP contacting TNA for a "copy and post" quote.

I got a divorce file a couple of years ago for under £10 and it was sent 1st class post!


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Howard , Viney , Kingsman, Pain/e, Rainer/ Rayner, Barham, George, Wakeling (Catherine), Vicary (Frederick)   all LDN area/suburbs  Ottley/ MDX,
Henman/ KNT   Gandy/LDN before 1830  Burgess/LDN
Barham/SFK   Rainer/CAN (Toronto) Gillians/CAN  Sturgeon/CAN (Vancouver)
Bailey/LDN Page/KNT   Paling/WA (var)



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Re: Stumped Can anyone help!!! Trying to find my husbands Great Grandparents
« Reply #35 on: Sunday 23 September 12 19:45 BST (UK) »
Blimey You have all been busy little bees.  Nothing shocks me these days not with family history.

Thanking you heaps.

Now this might be interesting here goes.

There appears to be a marriage for George John Harding and a Emily Louisa Rogers in Sep 1877 Christchurch

There is a death for Emily Louisa Harding 1905 Wells Somerset.

So it looks like George John Harding and Alice Lavian White were just living together they never actually married but I dot not agree that Harold is illegitimate when there is a father on the BC.  However there was a good 20 year age gap. 

As Alice was a domestic servant wonder wehther she was the doemstic servant for George and his wife Emily.

How do I go about applying for the divorce record??

Once again thanks for you help and I will keep coming back this I am sure over the next couple of weeks.

As you say the plot thickens

Candis
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