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« Reply #36 on: Wednesday 26 September 12 04:28 BST (UK) »
Ah  ;D

Possible birth :

1855 Anne Murdoch, daughter of James Murdoch and Mary Munroe registered at Pentridge, Victoria  The ref no. is 2708

Same website as mentioned earlier will hold the image of that registration.   Very informative certs from Vic.

Should add,  I have found in my NSW searches that Isabella/Isabell/Isabel and variations can also be interchangeable with Eliza/Elizabeth AND also with ANNE  :D  :D  :D
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« Reply #37 on: Wednesday 26 September 12 04:33 BST (UK) »
I am going round in circles ...  ::)


Remembering that the index has the death in 1856 for Mary Munro MURDOCH at age 24, so I cannot figure how a child of Mary would be old enough to have a married daughter in 1857.   


Catherine Munro (Mary Munro's mother) Married Alexander Munro in 1858.

Mary Munro (Illegit d/o Catherine above) was bc 1832 as per 1841 census.
She would have been approx 24 when dying in 1857 as Mary Munro Murdoch, wife of James Murdoch.

"Isabella Murdoch, residing at Pentridge, near Melbourne, Australia, only child of the late Mary Munro or Murdoch"

red post ... I have no idea where Isabella was born.

another red post ...will read
Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton,  Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans


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« Reply #38 on: Wednesday 26 September 12 04:34 BST (UK) »
Great find!!!!  :)
Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton,  Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans


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« Reply #39 on: Wednesday 26 September 12 04:39 BST (UK) »
I think that would be Isabella, but I am hoping there will be one of the Aussie RChatters who are much more knowledgeable about Victoria records along to help.

I am not sure I can be of much further help, particularly without the info on the actual BDM certs. 


Fingers crossed

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« Reply #40 on: Wednesday 26 September 12 04:42 BST (UK) »
The question still pending is Mary Munro Murdoch's death details...

Parents; Roderick Munro and Ann Keeper.

Mary Munro was d/o Catherine Munro.
Catherine's parents = Roderick Munro and Ann Chisholm.

I wonder who the informant was? Maybe he/she was confusing them with Mary's grandparents?!

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Devon = Middleton,  Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans


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« Reply #41 on: Wednesday 26 September 12 04:50 BST (UK) »
Bed time for me.

Will look in tomorrow ... hopefully Nick will have found some interesting details from his FHC and someone can find Isabella.

No family trees on ancestry with Isabella.  :-\

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Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton,  Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans


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« Reply #42 on: Wednesday 26 September 12 06:41 BST (UK) »
Man, my head is spinning, but I think I have some resolution on Mary Munro Murdoch.  Thank you Deb for typing this out: 

"Isabella Murdoch, residing at Pentridge, near Melbourne, Australia, only child of the late Mary Munro or Murdoch, (daughter of the said Catherine Munro)..."

The problem lies in that this gives us bad information (is an error), that simply doesn't work with the math.  Ann b. ca 1806-07; her dau. Catherine b. ca 1833-34 could NOT have had a daughter Mary born ca 1831-32.  My first error was trusting that the Gazette words written by a Edinburgh barrister were gospel... they can't be.  Mary Munro Murdoch could only have been the daughter of Ann Chisholm.

And she was.  For some reason she was staying with her uncle and grandmother in 1841, rather than with her family, and that added grist to my bastardy theory.  Altho' I can't find any of Rod Munro and Ann Chisholm's 3 daus in scotlandspeople, under Munro, I DO find Mary, christened 17 Feb 1832, on Family Search under MONRO, dau of Roderick Monro and Ann Chisholm.  That should put that to rest...

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I spent 2 hours at FHC without much success; did find Elizabeth Chisholm Bayne with family in 1861.  I had about 6 families to check in immigration records, and neither vol 1 of Whyte, nor the 2 volume Smith, Leonard H., Nova Scotia immigrants to 1867. (Baltimore, MD : Genealogical Publishing Co., 1992),
was useful.  For example, tons of Alex Chisholms, but fact they were married and/or all traveling with children, or not right time frame made me eliminate them

Both White and Smith put emphasis on pre-1800 and very early 1800s migration.

I'll review all the posts while I was away again, and see if I need to respond more.

Nick

   
McLellan - Inverness
Greer - Renfrewshire
Manson - Aberdeen & Orkney
Simpson - Hereford, Devon, etc.
Flett - Orkney
Chisholm - Scotland
Wishart - Orkney
Shand - Aberdeen
Pirie - Aberdeen

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« Reply #43 on: Wednesday 26 September 12 07:07 BST (UK) »
Man, my head is spinning, but I think I have some resolution on Mary Munro Murdoch.  Thank you Deb for typing this out: 

"Isabella Murdoch, residing at Pentridge, near Melbourne, Australia, only child of the late Mary Munro or Murdoch, (daughter of the said Catherine Munro)..."

Thanks for clearing that up.   So in 1857 Isabella Murdoch is the ONLY child of the late Mary Munro/Murdoch.

I think the two Vic BDM certificates I have already mentioned could have detailed information to help.

Birth registered 1855 for a daughter to James Murdoch and his wife Mary Munroe ref 2708
Death registered 1856 for Mary Munro Murdoch ref 4435

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« Reply #44 on: Wednesday 26 September 12 07:24 BST (UK) »
Thanks very much for those good leads JM.  $20 is a bit out of my comfort zone for certs.  Especially when it is such a distant relationship.  If they have them scanned for online deliver you'd expect they could increase their income many-fold by offering them at a reason $3-6 like scotlandspeople.

I will have to focus initially on the Victoria area for Mary Munro's uncle William Chisholm.  I've checked a few of the immigration (assisted and unassisted) lists, but no luck so far.

Oh, for some censuses!

Nick
McLellan - Inverness
Greer - Renfrewshire
Manson - Aberdeen & Orkney
Simpson - Hereford, Devon, etc.
Flett - Orkney
Chisholm - Scotland
Wishart - Orkney
Shand - Aberdeen
Pirie - Aberdeen

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