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Suicide Story - ? Butcher - Help please
« on: Saturday 06 October 12 22:07 BST (UK) »
Not sure if this story is true but my great aunt told me this story about one of her dad's brothers was a baker and shut his head in the oven to kill himself. Now i think i've narrowed it down to only one, which would be Fred Butcher who died in 1929 in the Dartford area. I was wondering if anyone can find a newspaper story on this please?
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Re: Suicide Story - ? Butcher - Help please
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 07 October 12 00:27 BST (UK) »
Death - Fred Butcher aged 37 December qtr 1929  Dartford  2a 745

Do you have a copy of the death cert confirming the actual cause of and date of death
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« Reply #2 on: Sunday 07 October 12 09:17 BST (UK) »
Thats the one. No i haven't got the cert, as last time i got one for his youngest sister who jumped of a cliff, it never stated any reason for death. But i found her in a newspaper story about it. So was hoping for the same. Fred is the only one it can be as i've found everything else out about the rest of his brothers and sisters.
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« Reply #3 on: Sunday 07 October 12 13:38 BST (UK) »
Where did he actually live?  If it was in Dartford then it may be worth searching the burial registers of the borough cemeteries to see whether there is any further information there ie. dates/address etc. which may be helpful http://www.rootschat.com/links/0oku/

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« Reply #4 on: Sunday 07 October 12 14:47 BST (UK) »
Unfortunately i don't know anymore than i've written. Not much help i know.
Kent mainly. Butcher, Dodd, Martin, Highwood, Hopkins, Shoat, Goldup, Thornby, Hammon, Edwards, Taylor, Back, Gower, Stevens, Read, Ottaway,

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« Reply #5 on: Sunday 07 October 12 17:07 BST (UK) »
Do you think Fred is the one who married Ethel GILES in Stowting 1914?  If so, this may be of interest http://www.mcadamsfh.com/Obituaries/45236/

I looked through the Dartford Cemeteries in the "Way of Death" project but couldn't see any entry for a Fred BUTCHER dying late 1929.  An address and date would have been useful to help narrow down any possible newspaper report.

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« Reply #6 on: Monday 08 October 12 08:30 BST (UK) »
This is the same Fred yes he married Ethel Giles and i found 4 children. the 2 boys died in the same year they were born and i found the 2 daughters, but couldn't get any further. You have just opened up more. This is great information, how did you find this?
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« Reply #7 on: Monday 08 October 12 08:44 BST (UK) »
Just playing around with combinations of names in a search engine (Google).

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« Reply #8 on: Monday 08 October 12 15:49 BST (UK) »
Heres the link for the WAAF,s Burial Ground.
https://www.cdli.ca/monuments/nb/forest.htm

Heres a bit about her.

Mildred J Butcher married Joseph N Flanagan   JAS Qtr 1942 Andover Hants 2C 789

One Daughter born in England  Other children, presume born Canada

 Returning to Canada in 1958. with ner Daughter Maureen.Had given address in England as 3 Dover Street , Maidstone.


EMPRESS OF ENGLAND
Montreal, Canada

Name: Mildred J FLANAGAN
Date of Birth: 21 February 1923 Age: 35
 Date of departure: 12 September 1958
 Port of departure: Liverpool
 Passenger destination: Montreal, Canada
  Marital status: Married
 Sex: Female
Occupation: Housewife ,

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KENWARD
HARRIS
DIXON
MARSHALL
MERCER
CARE
FAGG
RUSSELL
WOODRUFF      

 All these  Families were Born and Bred in Kent