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Trying to find John Henry Pepper of 'Peppers Ghost'
« on: Saturday 13 October 12 18:29 BST (UK) »
I am trying to find information on the family of John Henry Pepper (b. 17 June 1821 in Westminster – d. 25 March 1900 in Leytonstone), probably best known for developing the projection technique known as “Pepper's Ghost”.

I have reference that his father was Charles Bailey Pepper (b. ??? – d. 1854 in Lambeth, London) and that he was a public works contractor/civil engineer. I have found a Charles Bailey Pepper who is shown as a Painter and Glazier. He is resident at 35 Dartmouth Street, Westminster (1818) and 7 Great Queen Street, Westminster (1829).
Poll Books and Electoral Registers show him at St Margaret and St John the Evangelist, Westminster with properties at 18 Lewisham Street, Westminster, 11 Dartmouth Street, Westminster and Thornton Heath Villa, Croydon Common, Surrey.
He married Anne or Ann (b. abt 1795 in Westminster - ?). She is at    1 Lansdown Villas, St Mary Lambeth, Lambeth (1851) as a House Proprietor.  Husband not shown, but with children - Jane, Martha and Adolphus and (1861   ) at 4 St Ann’s Place, Streatham, Surrey as Widow / Proprietor of Houses with children – Frederick and Martha.

It is mentioned that they had 11 children. Apart from John Henry Pepper, these may have been:
Frederick Thomas Pepper (b. abt 1827 in Westminster, Middlesex – d. 26 Dec 1903 in Hertfordshire)
m. Annie ???? (abt 1833 in Southwark, Surrey - ?)

Jane Adelaide Pepper (b. abt 1831 in Putney, Surrey – d. 29 Dec 1917 in Streatham Hill, Surrey)
m. Richard Wheeler Thomas* (1824 in Middlesex – 6 July 1881 in Clapham Park, Surrey)
* This may have been Richard Wheeler Thomas of 10 Pall Mall, who was a London chemist who specialized in the production and sale of photographic supplies.

Martha E Pepper (b. abt 1835 in Westminster – d. 1920 in Hammersmith, London)

Adolphus Pepper (b. abt 1836 in Westminster – d. ?)


John Henry Pepper
John Henry attended school at Loughborough House (Brixton), and King's College School (London). Around 1843 he was elected a Fellow of the Chemical Society. In 1845 he married Mary Ann Benwell (b. abt 1819 in Hurst, Berkshire - 4 Dec 1889 in Surrey) at Westminster St Margaret, London and is said to have had a son with her in 1856?
In 1871, he is shown as a Professor of Chemistry; resident at Mapledurham, Oxfordshire (his nephew William Welsh (b. 1855 in Reading, Berkshire) is also shown).
Between 1874 and 1879 the family toured the United States and Canada before arriving in Melbourne, Australia on 8 July 1879.
In 1891, he is shown as a widower and a Professor of Chemistry, living at Rosebery Road, Clapham. (William H Welsh, the nephew is also with him as a Chemical Assistant).
In 1897 he marries Janet Titlow in Essex. They live in Leytonstone, Essex (she is shown in his will at the time of his death). John was buried on 29 Mar 1900 at West Norwood Cemetery.

I don't know why he ended up in Leytonstone or was buried in Norwood?

While there is lots of info about him in relation to ‘Peppers Ghost’, I cannot find family details. If anybody has any details or links, I would appreciate any assistance.
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Re: Trying to find John Henry Pepper of 'Peppers Ghost'
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 13 October 12 18:58 BST (UK) »
Marriage details of Jane Adelaide


St Barnabas South Lambeth   8 May 1851

Richard Wheeler Thomas full age  bachelor  'Chemyst'  of London. Father~Richard Thomas , deceased
Jane Adelaide Pepper  20  spinster of South Lambeth. Father~Charles Bailey Pepper, Gentleman

Both signed register
Witnesses: W Pepper,  T? Thomas, Wllm. Pepper,  Ann Pepper, Ann Jeffery , ?? Lippin?


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Re: Trying to find John Henry Pepper of 'Peppers Ghost'
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 13 October 12 19:02 BST (UK) »
Have marriage details, but am not sure if she is related to JH ?
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Re: Trying to find John Henry Pepper of 'Peppers Ghost'
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 13 October 12 19:23 BST (UK) »
Marriage of Frederick Thomas

Christchurch Streatham Hill 27 July 1865

Frederick Thomas Pepper full age bachelor Gentleman of Island of Tyree, Argyleshire. Father: Charles Bailey Pepper~deceased
Anne Parker full age spinster. of Streatham Hill. Father: Joseph Parker~deceased

Both signed register
Witnesses: Joseph Parker and Emily Parker, A Pepper and Martha E Pepper.

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Re: Trying to find John Henry Pepper of 'Peppers Ghost'
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 13 October 12 19:37 BST (UK) »
Probate record for a Ann Pepper

Effects under £8 000, resworn Aug. 1865, effects under 9 000

13 Feb. 1865 The will with a codicil of Ann Pepper formerly of Brixton Hill but late of 4 St Annes Place Streatham Hill both in the county of Surrey, Widow deceased who died 23 Jan 1865 was proved at the Principal Registry on the oaths of Martha E Pepper of 4 St Annes Place, spinster the daughter and John Henry Pepper of the Polytechnic 309 Regent Street in the county of Middlesex, Professor of Chemistry the son, two of the executors.

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Re: Trying to find John Henry Pepper of 'Peppers Ghost'
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 13 October 12 20:21 BST (UK) »
Found a newspaper article

The Era~Sunday 16 January 1842.

On the 13th instant, at St Margarets Church Westminster, the Rev. Frederick Jeffery  M.A., domestic chaplain to the right Honourable Viscount Molesworth, to Ann, eldest daughter of Charles Bailey Pepper, Esq. of Great Queen Street.

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Re: Trying to find John Henry Pepper of 'Peppers Ghost'
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 14 October 12 00:48 BST (UK) »
Thanks for taking the trouble Claire
Great help
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Re: Trying to find John Henry Pepper of 'Peppers Ghost'
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 14 October 12 02:50 BST (UK) »
Hi there,

George Pepper, son of Charles Bailey Pepper and Ann, baptised on 22 January 1817 at St Margaret's in Westminster.  Born 21 December 1816.  Family lived in Dartmouth Street and Charles' occupation is Artist.

Ah boo!  Poor baby George died and was buried on 27 May 1817.  Address was Dartmouth Street.  Writing underneath name is 'G D St Myd' - whatever that means.

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Re: Trying to find John Henry Pepper of 'Peppers Ghost'
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 14 October 12 08:21 BST (UK) »
Hi

31st March 1814 St Margaret Westminster
Charles Pepper of this parish bachelor and Ann Tarte spinster and minor of the parish by licence with consent of her natural and lawful father
Both signed
Witnesses Wm Tarte and Mary Frances Tarte

7th June 1815 St Margaret Westminster born 11th May
Charles William Pepper parents Charles and Ann, Dartmouth Street, father's occupation painter and glazier

1841 census HO107 1078 Bk5 folio 35
Brighton Road Croydon Surrey
Chas Bailey 50 Painter not born in county
Ann Bailey 45 not born in county
John Henry Bailey 20 not born in county
Ann Bailey 15 not born in county
Fredk Thos Bailey 10 not born in county
Martha Eliz Bailey 5 not born in county
Adolphus Bailey 4 not born in county
Plus 3 servants

Adult ages, those over 15, usually rounded down to the nearest 5 on the 1841 census.

Prerogative Court of Canterbury will
Proved 12th April 1854
Charles Bailey Pepper
Painter
Thornton Heath Villa Croydon Common Surrey

Gentleman's Magazine
1854
At Stockwell Green aged 64 Charles Bailey Pepper esq formerly of Great Queen Street Westminster. He was the father of John Henry Pepper esq the well known Professor of Chemistry at the Polytechnic Institute Regent Street.


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