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Lewis Schwartz
« on: Wednesday 24 October 12 06:06 BST (UK) »
I am seeking help to trace Lewis/Louis Schwartz. He was born about 1836, but where I have no idea. I cannot locate his birth on FreeReg, Family Search Etc

I do know he married Ellen Jane Cushing 19 June 1862 at Saint Mary Edge Hill, Lancashire.

I also know that Ellen had three children, Lillian Maud Bn 1868  Louis Cushing Schwartz, Bn 1869 and Joseph Schwartz Bn 1875

I have Ellen Jane in 1851 census at Duncan St Liverpool, aged 10 S a scholar
                                1861 census at Croft St West Derby, aged 20 S house servant to parents
                                1871 Census at Red Rock Rd, West Derby aged 30 W Housekeeper to William Sumner Coal Merchant

At no stage can I find anything about Lewis/Louis apart from the marriage

Any help would be very grate fully received

A Chesters

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Re: Lewis Schwartz
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 24 October 12 08:00 BST (UK) »
The marriage cert would give you his fathers name - hopefully.

Have you found the family on censuses after the marriage - where does he say he was born?


PS - just looked at the 1871. She describes herself as a widow. Children not with her. Do you know where they are?
And who, then, is named as father on Joseph's birth cert, if he was not born till1875?
Edmonds/Edmunds - mainly Sussex
DeBoo - London
Green - Suffolk
Parker - Sussex
Kemp - Essex
Farrington - Essex
Boniface - West Sussex

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Re: Lewis Schwartz
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 24 October 12 08:10 BST (UK) »
OK, I can see Lillian with Cushing grandparents at RG 10 3805 158 30
Edmonds/Edmunds - mainly Sussex
DeBoo - London
Green - Suffolk
Parker - Sussex
Kemp - Essex
Farrington - Essex
Boniface - West Sussex

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Re: Lewis Schwartz
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 24 October 12 08:16 BST (UK) »
For others helping on this posting
the marriage,


St Marys Edge Hill
19th June 1861
Lewis Scwartz,aged 25 father Izador
Ellen Jane Cushing aged 21,father Stephen Cushing
Gunning County Down,Kneale Isle of Man,Riddle Tynemouth,Bibby Kendal/Bradford,Colenso Penzance/Barrow-in-Furness,Steele Corney Fell,Chapman Ely,Dawes Alfreton,Blamire Westmoreland and Ulverston
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Re: Lewis Schwartz
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 24 October 12 08:17 BST (UK) »
In 1881 she is still housekeeping for William Sumner
R G 11 3619 39 23

Now has 12 yr old Louis with her, plus this new child Joseph.

One does suspect she may have been more than a housekeeper to widower,  William Sumner.

Or that she was an exceptionally good housekeeper, and despite becoming pregnant by someone unknown, he kept her on in her job!
Edmonds/Edmunds - mainly Sussex
DeBoo - London
Green - Suffolk
Parker - Sussex
Kemp - Essex
Farrington - Essex
Boniface - West Sussex

census information is Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

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Re: Lewis Schwartz
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 24 October 12 08:20 BST (UK) »
There are a few trees on Ancestry that give his death as 16 Aug 1869 Liverpool seems possible but they also have his father as William Julius Schweitzer not Izador as on marriage to Ellen
they have Lewis and this family in Aberdeen Scotland 1841.
Russells in Westmorland,Lancashire<br />Rileys Halifax,Rochdale<br />Graingers Hull Yorks<br />Coles Northampton<br />Transcribed the whole of Westmorland 41 census<br />and Rochdale 61 <br /><br />Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

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Re: Lewis Schwartz
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 24 October 12 09:18 BST (UK) »
St Bede Toxteth
25th December 1894
William Arthur Day,32,bachelor,engraver of 85 Vandyke Street
Lilian Maud Schwartz,26,spinster of Thackeray Street
grooms father William Day ,accountant

brides father Louis Schwartz,clerk

witnss to marriage Herbert Lawson Davies,Emma Cecillia Guy,Edward Moseley
Gunning County Down,Kneale Isle of Man,Riddle Tynemouth,Bibby Kendal/Bradford,Colenso Penzance/Barrow-in-Furness,Steele Corney Fell,Chapman Ely,Dawes Alfreton,Blamire Westmoreland and Ulverston
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Re: Lewis Schwartz
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 24 October 12 09:29 BST (UK) »
In 1881 she is still housekeeping for William Sumner
R G 11 3619 39 23

Now has 12 yr old Louis with her, plus this new child Joseph.

One does suspect she may have been more than a housekeeper to widower,  William Sumner.

Or that she was an exceptionally good housekeeper, and despite becoming pregnant by someone unknown, he kept her on in her job!

Very interesting............   www.familysearch.org has
Louis Schwartz b 1869   
LOUIS SCHWARTZ aged 12 ...son
William Sumner is down as head - Louis is downn as ...relationship to head - son

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Re: Lewis Schwartz
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 24 October 12 09:34 BST (UK) »
Ellens parents seem to be quite comfortably well off to me ,on Stephens burial in 1891 it staes he is a  retired shipping master,of Thackeray Street, Toxteth,family grave,
and they bring up Lillian before she marries and emigrates to Canada,

I cant find the death/burial  of a Schwartz in Liverpool in 1869 ?

I also suspect she was a good friend  of William Sumner
Gunning County Down,Kneale Isle of Man,Riddle Tynemouth,Bibby Kendal/Bradford,Colenso Penzance/Barrow-in-Furness,Steele Corney Fell,Chapman Ely,Dawes Alfreton,Blamire Westmoreland and Ulverston
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